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| svaye | Good morning thomasboimah | 09:54 |
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| thomasboimah | Good morning svaye | 09:55 |
| thomasboimah | You have the correct gnucash installed right? | 09:55 |
| svaye | Yeah | 09:55 |
| thomasboimah | So now open it and go to file >> open when click on open you will Data Format click on the drop down and select postgres | 09:56 |
| thomasboimah | After that let me know what you see | 09:57 |
| svaye | Done | 09:57 |
| thomasboimah | What did you see? | 09:57 |
| svaye | Database connection which contains host, Database, username and password | 09:58 |
| thomasboimah | Perfect! | 09:58 |
| thomasboimah | Now we have four database: secosol, sjcompute, jetro and Nova web | 09:58 |
| svaye | There's a number in the host section and gnucash at the database | 09:59 |
| thomasboimah | But the best thing here is that they all have the same password | 09:59 |
| thomasboimah | So now my question here is which one of the database you want us to login to? | 10:00 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, are you here?? | 10:00 |
| svaye | Let's try sjcompute | 10:01 |
| svaye | thomasboimah: | 10:03 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, check you private chat | 10:04 |
| thomasboimah | *your | 10:04 |
| thomasboimah | I just send you some information | 10:04 |
| thomasboimah | please confirm that you see it | 10:05 |
| svaye | I see it | 10:05 |
| thomasboimah | Good now try it | 10:05 |
| thomasboimah | and let me know what's come up | 10:05 |
| thomasboimah | But i am certain that it will work | 10:05 |
| svaye | It still says something is incorrect | 10:07 |
| thomasboimah | can you sent me the screenshot of what you are doing? | 10:08 |
| svaye | Where should I send it | 10:08 |
| thomasboimah | Messenger | 10:10 |
| svaye | I sent it | 10:11 |
| thomasboimah | Give me a minute let me try to login and see | 10:13 |
| svaye | Okay | 10:14 |
| thomasboimah | Please be patient i am installing it on Janet machine to try it | 10:25 |
| svaye | Alright | 10:26 |
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| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 10:38 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, i just send you the correct password | 10:38 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, please confirm that you see it | 10:39 |
| svaye | I see it | 10:39 |
| thomasboimah | Okay try it let see | 10:39 |
| svaye | It worked!! | 10:42 |
| thomasboimah | Nice! | 10:42 |
| svaye | Thank you!! | 10:42 |
| thomasboimah | So that's it, any other things before i leave | 10:42 |
| svaye | Nope, it's the same password for everything right? | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, can you please share that information with daniel please | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | Yes! | 10:43 |
| svaye | Sure | 10:43 |
| thomasboimah | okay then see you be 12:20 | 10:44 |
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| svaye | Alright | 10:44 |
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| mulbah | Hello | 12:24 |
| thomasboimah | Good afternoon mulbah and gabriel_jetro | 12:24 |
| svaye | Good afternoon thomasboimah jkollie mulbah | 12:26 |
| thomasboimah | Good afternoon svaye | 12:26 |
| jkollie | how are you svaye? | 12:27 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon svaye, did you see my email to Mr. Zawolo? | 12:28 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner and good afternoon jetroweb folks | 12:29 |
| jelkner | Yesterday i worked on Jetro, NOVA Web, and SJC planning. Today I'll be working on several solidarity projects. No blockers. | 12:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:30 |
| thomasboimah | Yesterday, I spent two hours reading the article on user stories (https://www.atlassian.com/agile/project-management/user-stories), and I did not regret it because my time was not wasted—I learned a lot from it. This morning, I was also able to help Svaye with GnuCash. Today, I plan to implement what I learned from the article by writing user stories for our Todo app in Markdown and uploading them to the Todo app repository for the team t | 12:30 |
| thomasboimah | o review and make any necessary additions or subtractions. I also plan to use those user stories to create an issue for our Todo app on Codeberg and assign it between Mulbah, Gabriel, and myself so we can begin working together to bring the Todo app to life. No blocker. | 12:30 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:30 |
| jelkner | cool, let's talk about that thomasboimah | 12:31 |
| jelkner | after the meeting | 12:31 |
| svaye | Yesterday I went over gnucash tutorials, and I learned how to create accounts. This morning thomasboimah helped me connect to the gnucash financial database, and it was successful. Today I will continue watching tutorials for gnucash. No blockers | 12:32 |
| mulbah | Yesterday I clone the repository I was working on the login and signup page base on this mockup "https://www.figma.com/proto/mJMpfgWhiwISQPvfdpg9OU/To-do-List-Web-App-Design--Community-?node-id=399-637&t=IWRM27xSxEiylLXx-1" that I share for the project but I was that gabriel have already push his work so I have to re-clone the repository and go with his project structures | 12:32 |
| jelkner | Good morning cjones! | 12:32 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:32 |
| jelkner | great to see you hear this morning | 12:32 |
| svaye | Good morning jelkner cjones | 12:32 |
| jelkner | that will come in handy | 12:32 |
| cjones | good morning all! | 12:32 |
| jkollie | Yesterday I did an overview of my work and study with Decidim along with the Map and HTML project. | 12:32 |
| jkollie | Today I'll be looking at a few toturial on getting the map on the platform using gitlab. | 12:32 |
| jkollie | Also hoping that our Decidim meeting workout today cause I have a few question I like to ask? | 12:32 |
| jelkner | svaye, there are 4 gnucash financial databases | 12:33 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that after too | 12:33 |
| jkollie | ACTION done | 12:33 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning everyone, as did mention in my email, I completed the login form for the Todo app and currently waiting on code review from cjones, no blocker for now | 12:33 |
| gabriel_jetro | ACTION done | 12:33 |
| jelkner | mulbah? | 12:33 |
| cjones | gabriel_jetro, i finished adding comments to your PR about 2 minutes ago =) I thought I'd pop in here so we can chat about them live after this standup | 12:34 |
| mulbah | and today I plane to make this link "https://todo.jetrowebdevelopment.org" point to the login page | 12:34 |
| mulbah | ACTION done | 12:34 |
| jelkner | great, stand up done | 12:34 |
| svaye | jelkner: I saw your email to Mr Zawolo | 12:34 |
| dcammue | Yesterday, I was able to get connected to the sjcompute database for gnucash, and today, I will be trying the other databases but will not create account. | 12:35 |
| jelkner | let's jump in first to things relevant to cjones, so we don't need to detain him | 12:35 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:35 |
| mulbah | cjones did you see the mockup I share | 12:35 |
| cjones | i'm looking at it right now | 12:35 |
| jelkner | hold on a minute | 12:35 |
| mulbah | okay | 12:35 |
| jelkner | a few questions based on what thomasboimah wrote in his summary | 12:35 |
| jelkner | these stand ups are really useful, btw, as thomasboimah showed us | 12:36 |
| jelkner | it was super helpful to me to get that summary from him | 12:36 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i think we need a bit of clarification on the process | 12:36 |
| jelkner | you don't need to write user stories | 12:36 |
| jelkner | user stories are written by customers | 12:36 |
| jelkner | for this early stage, cjones and me are going to be the customers | 12:37 |
| jelkner | so only we need to write user stories | 12:37 |
| cjones | (or written by product managers based on their interactions with customers) | 12:37 |
| jelkner | 2nd, we will write them directly as issues | 12:37 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:37 |
| jelkner | but let's keep it as simple as possible to start cjones | 12:37 |
| mulbah | that is the question I was asking yesterday jelkner | 12:38 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:38 |
| jelkner | though you and i are both customers and project managers | 12:38 |
| cjones | agreed | 12:38 |
| jelkner | so, thomasboimah, i wrote the 1st user story as our 1st issues | 12:38 |
| thomasboimah | But their are only one issue right now on the repo | 12:38 |
| jelkner | issue | 12:38 |
| jelkner | just one, that's ok | 12:38 |
| jelkner | let me explain | 12:38 |
| jelkner | we are trying to learn a lot of things at once | 12:38 |
| jelkner | i'm trying to keep it as simple as possible | 12:39 |
| jelkner | so i can get a feel for how we are doing | 12:39 |
| jelkner | i wrote the first issue in the user story style: as ... i want ... so that ... | 12:39 |
| jelkner | Now thomasboimah, you should assign that issue to gabriel_jetro (and mulbah?) | 12:40 |
| jelkner | they should complete the task, ask cjones for a code review and pull request | 12:40 |
| jelkner | he should then mark that issue as complete | 12:40 |
| jelkner | only then will he and i talk on the phone about the next issues | 12:40 |
| thomasboimah | I think it will be great if there is about three to four issue and each be assign to a particular person. | 12:40 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we don't know how to do any of this | 12:41 |
| jelkner | that's *A LOT* of moving pieces | 12:41 |
| jelkner | so remember, my dear friend, i'm the customer who is paying the bill | 12:41 |
| jelkner | i'll decide what i'm ready to pay for | 12:42 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:42 |
| jelkner | and i'll do that based on the confidence you give me | 12:42 |
| jelkner | that you can do what i ask | 12:42 |
| mulbah | alright | 12:42 |
| jelkner | so don't put the cart before the horse, as the saying goes | 12:42 |
| jelkner | i'll be working with svaye on budgetting | 12:42 |
| jelkner | she will have to take the point of view of SJC | 12:42 |
| jelkner | we can at max, come up with perhaps $1200 in a given month | 12:43 |
| jelkner | $800 of that is already a fixed expense | 12:43 |
| jelkner | so we will need to decide which user stories we can afford | 12:43 |
| jelkner | you don't even know how to estimate costs | 12:43 |
| jelkner | the process should have included a developer meeting on issue number 1 | 12:44 |
| jelkner | where you give me a cost, in hours | 12:44 |
| klarios | hi all! Sorry im late! | 12:44 |
| jelkner | and only then do i as customer decide if i want to authorize the team to move on it | 12:44 |
| jelkner | we haven't learned any of this yet thomasboimah | 12:44 |
| jelkner | so having a pile of issues now won't help us | 12:45 |
| svaye | Good morning klarios, how are you feeling now? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | how will you bill me for issue number 1, thomasboimah? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | you haven't told me yet how much it will cost | 12:45 |
| thomasboimah | We are going to bill per hour | 12:45 |
| jelkner | ahh, great | 12:45 |
| thomasboimah | $5 per hour | 12:45 |
| jelkner | as a customer who trusts Jeto i will approve that | 12:45 |
| jelkner | but we haven't established that trust yet | 12:46 |
| jelkner | if gabriel_jetro came back with 100 hour for issue 1 | 12:46 |
| thomasboimah | But that billing money is mainly for mulbah and gabriel_jetro I think | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i would walk away from this, figuring i would need to hire a team with more skills! ;-) | 12:46 |
| jelkner | again, thomasboimah, you are asking good questions | 12:47 |
| jelkner | but your questions confirm what i already assumed | 12:47 |
| jelkner | you don't understand this process yet | 12:47 |
| jelkner | so i don't want a bunch of issues | 12:47 |
| jelkner | and i don't want you writing the user stories | 12:47 |
| jelkner | since i'm the customer who is paying for them | 12:47 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:47 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:47 |
| jelkner | so let's finish this first iteration | 12:48 |
| jelkner | i want you to work with cjones to get issue one finished | 12:48 |
| jelkner | then i want a bill | 12:48 |
| jelkner | we will discuss that bill | 12:48 |
| jelkner | was it reasonable? | 12:48 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 12:48 |
| mulbah | okay | 12:49 |
| jelkner | how much can you bill a customer for things that an experienced dev should know, but which you didn't know because you're a beginner | 12:49 |
| jelkner | you'll need to learn that | 12:49 |
| jelkner | before klarios can go find real world customers for you | 12:49 |
| jelkner | and svaye will be looking at this from the point of view of SJC (which is the paying customer, really) | 12:50 |
| jelkner | since she and dcammue will be SJC's bookkeepers | 12:50 |
| jelkner | ok cjones how did i do? | 12:50 |
| jelkner | while we wait for cjones to respond | 12:51 |
| jelkner | svaye and dcammue | 12:51 |
| cjones | all soudns good to me =) | 12:51 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 12:51 |
| jelkner | there are FOUR gnucash databases | 12:51 |
| jelkner | it would be great if by tomorrow you could report that you successfully connected to each of them | 12:51 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:51 |
| jelkner | i set up the accounts in sjcompute | 12:52 |
| jelkner | and began entering transactions | 12:52 |
| jelkner | svaye and dcammue i want you to do the same for the jetroweb database | 12:52 |
| svaye | Okay | 12:53 |
| jelkner | i want to be able to log in to that through gnucash and see your current asset accounts (your bank accounts) | 12:53 |
| jelkner | with the current amounts in them | 12:53 |
| jelkner | anything more for cjones before we let him go? | 12:53 |
| thomasboimah | -1 for me | 12:54 |
| svaye | -1 | 12:54 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro, mulbah? | 12:54 |
| cjones | i have some quick feedback based on the PR, and based on the figma mockup mulbah shared | 12:54 |
| dcammue | I saw the setup account, by today, I will do the jetroweb account setup if svaye wants me to or she will do that. | 12:54 |
| jelkner | go for it cjones | 12:54 |
| cjones | first the mockup. there's a TON there, mulbah | 12:55 |
| cjones | it's fun to imagine what a very polished final project might look like, but I'm not sure that we need that much detail yet (and there are a lot of specific details that I might design differently) | 12:55 |
| svaye | dcammue: we can schedule a meeting thus evening where you will setup the accounts while I watch. | 12:55 |
| jelkner | LOL, jelkner wants to pay for CLEAN CODE, not HORSE DO-DO! | 12:55 |
| svaye | This* | 12:55 |
| cjones | in general, i'd caution against building such a detailed mockup this early in the game. If you showed that to a customer, it might be hard to manage their expectations from there | 12:56 |
| jelkner | another agile principle in writing clean code | 12:56 |
| jelkner | DO THE SIMPLEST THING THAT WORKS | 12:56 |
| jelkner | i want a plain vanilla login screen | 12:56 |
| jelkner | with no frills | 12:56 |
| jelkner | i didn't ask for frills | 12:56 |
| jelkner | and i don't want to pay for things i didn't ask for | 12:57 |
| cjones | as high-level feedback to the to-do list, i'd say that our goal is to build a shared to-do project. one where we can keep track of what everyone on a team is working on. your mockup looks much more personal | 12:57 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:57 |
| cjones | for gabriel_jetro 's PR - the code works! nice work! I left detailed comments on the PR and won't repeat them here, but there are a few I wanted to discuss | 12:57 |
| cjones | first, reminder that all code should go through a PR before it makes it to the main branch. We didn't have that rule setup in codeberg yet, so not a big deal. I added that rule while we were in this standup, so it'll force you to go through PRs in the future | 12:58 |
| jelkner | +1! | 12:59 |
| cjones | second - gabriel_jetro I see that you used Bootstrap for the styling. I think we should discuss that as a group | 12:59 |
| jelkner | +1! | 12:59 |
| jelkner | i don't want any styling yet | 12:59 |
| jelkner | btw | 12:59 |
| cjones | I use bootstrap for most of my personal projects - i'm a big fan. but I dont' necessarily agree that it's the best fit for this project | 12:59 |
| jelkner | just a boring, plain html login screen | 12:59 |
| jelkner | ugly | 13:00 |
| jelkner | since i'm assuming we'll have separate user stories on design | 13:00 |
| cjones | (in general, taking dependencies is a big deal, and always good to get agreement from the team before adding a new dependency) | 13:00 |
| jelkner | and we don't need that yet | 13:00 |
| jelkner | YES! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | so far, this should ONLY depend on the standard Django library | 13:01 |
| jelkner | NOTHING else | 13:01 |
| jelkner | we're learning Django | 13:01 |
| dcammue | Okay svaye | 13:01 |
| jelkner | not need to get us into dependency hell before we've even begun | 13:01 |
| cjones | those are my big points, there are a few smaller points in the PR feedback. gabriel_jetro / mulbah - any thoughts? | 13:02 |
| jelkner | this is SO GREAT, cjones | 13:02 |
| jelkner | it is a game changer having you hear with us | 13:02 |
| gabriel_jetro | I go through your PR's and I'm glad spotting my fault, I'm sorry for pushing to the main, I didn't create a branch after work and I push to the main branch, after I check to make my PR, I realized that I was on main so I create feature/login_form and push to it. | 13:02 |
| cjones | no worries gabriel_jetro - I didn't have the rule setup yet =) | 13:02 |
| jelkner | You're doing SUPER gabriel_jetro | 13:02 |
| jelkner | this is your first time doing this | 13:03 |
| jelkner | you will learn by doing | 13:03 |
| jelkner | so expect to make LOTS of mistakes | 13:03 |
| jelkner | Wow, this is very nice | 13:03 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, see why i didn't want a pile of user stories at this point? | 13:04 |
| thomasboimah | yep! | 13:04 |
| jelkner | we learned so many lessons from the first one! | 13:04 |
| jelkner | We need to crawl before we walk, walk before we run, and run before we fly! ;-) | 13:04 |
| thomasboimah | That's for sure ;-) | 13:04 |
| jelkner | ok, cjones thanks a 10**6! | 13:05 |
| klarios | this was a very productive meeting! In terms of the business team's role, svaye's and dcammue's task is to start populating the jetro web account?, if so I want to populate the NWD account as well ! | 13:05 |
| jelkner | i'll check-in again with them tomorrow and see how much we really learned from today's discussion | 13:05 |
| jelkner | klarios, as soon as we finish with the devs | 13:05 |
| jelkner | let's meet with svaye and dcammue | 13:05 |
| klarios | +1 | 13:06 |
| cjones | ok, i'm going to step away for a bit. i'll keep an eye on the PR comments - happy to chat more there. Have nice day everyone! | 13:06 |
| jelkner | thanks again cjones | 13:06 |
| klarios | Thank you cjones ! | 13:06 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, gabriel_jetro and mulbah, i can't begin to tell you how excited i am! | 13:07 |
| jelkner | having cjones helping us is a game changer | 13:07 |
| jelkner | and you 3 are learning FAST! | 13:07 |
| jelkner | we're on our way | 13:07 |
| jelkner | so go ahead now and work on issue 1 | 13:07 |
| jelkner | let's see if you can get that finished today | 13:07 |
| jelkner | and then we can discuss the bill tomorrow | 13:08 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, did you get the url working? i haven't checked | 13:08 |
| jelkner | that's part of the story | 13:08 |
| thomasboimah | Yes | 13:08 |
| jelkner | sweet | 13:08 |
| jelkner | so if all goes well | 13:08 |
| jelkner | tomorrow i will be able to visit the url i gave you, and see a simple login screen | 13:08 |
| gabriel_jetro | jelkner: it is not my responsibility to charge customer, we have our business manager who will do that with you tomorrow when done. | 13:09 |
| jelkner | no styling, no dependencies beyond standard Django | 13:09 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro, that sounds great | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but you as the dev know how long you worked | 13:09 |
| klarios | gabriel_jetro: developers are multi-skilled, with experience they have a grasp of "how much" a feature will cost. The business manager can only communicate with you to know | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i'm expecting that the 3 of you meet as the dev team to discuss this before thomasboimah will present us (SJC) with an invoice | 13:10 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure, I'll give all info to my business manager, it's he/she responsibility do discuss business. | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i don't want to take too much more time from the dev team here gabriel_jetro | 13:11 |
| jelkner | so you can get your work done | 13:11 |
| jelkner | but i'll add one more thing hear | 13:11 |
| jelkner | as svaye and dcammue take on the role of SJC bookkeepers | 13:11 |
| jelkner | they are going to have to "split their view" | 13:11 |
| jelkner | they'll be seeing the world from two different points of view at the same time | 13:12 |
| jelkner | they represent Jetro Web Development as business managers | 13:12 |
| jelkner | and AT THE SAME TIME they represent SJC as bookkeepers | 13:12 |
| jelkner | if they can learn to do that effectively, it will help us a lot | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i need to do it all the time | 13:13 |
| jelkner | and it will help me to have understanding comrades who i can talk to about this | 13:13 |
| jelkner | we will be learning to make good business decisions | 13:13 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 13:13 |
| jelkner | SJC will have a very limited budget at the beginning | 13:13 |
| jelkner | and Jetro has LARGE needs | 13:14 |
| jelkner | so i'm hoping svaye and dcammue, along with klarios and jkollie | 13:14 |
| jelkner | oops jelkner | 13:14 |
| jelkner | can help figure that out together | 13:14 |
| jelkner | so we can begin to share in the decision making process | 13:14 |
| jelkner | including longer term planning and prioritization | 13:14 |
| jelkner | for today svaye and dcammue | 13:15 |
| jelkner | i want to see the financial reports for Jetro in the gnucash database | 13:15 |
| jelkner | can you do that? | 13:15 |
| jelkner | svaye and dcammue, can you? | 13:16 |
| svaye | dcammue: you have the financial reports right? | 13:16 |
| thomasboimah | klarios, | 13:16 |
| klarios | yes thomasboimah | 13:16 |
| thomasboimah | Did you see the email i forward you between me and Ms. Scholl? | 13:16 |
| dcammue | For jeteoweb? | 13:16 |
| jelkner | svaye, its just the bank statements at this point | 13:16 |
| svaye | Yes dcammue | 13:16 |
| dcammue | Yes save, I have all the bank statements | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so you both have access now, yes? | 13:16 |
| svaye | Nope | 13:16 |
| jelkner | ahh | 13:17 |
| jelkner | well let's prioritize fixing that | 13:17 |
| dcammue | After the meeting jelkner | 13:17 |
| klarios | yep I did. I replied to her to ask if she needs help setting up the account and gave her a word doc to save her login info | 13:17 |
| dcammue | I will connect | 13:17 |
| jelkner | svaye and dcammue one more question | 13:17 |
| svaye | Jelkner The government put a halt to citizens ID card and we need that for the bank. | 13:17 |
| jelkner | can you cash a check from SJC if I send one with Mr. Zawolo? | 13:17 |
| klarios | thomasboimah: when its time i was thinking you could use business tracker to create your invoices gabriel_jetro mulbah | 13:17 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:18 |
| jelkner | really, svaye? | 13:18 |
| jelkner | that is terrible | 13:18 |
| klarios | txt is easier go ahead as well! | 13:18 |
| dcammue | Hmmm, I have not done yet | 13:18 |
| dcammue | But we need to find out the process | 13:18 |
| jelkner | are we blocking, or do you have a work around for the time being? | 13:18 |
| dcammue | For me I have a little blocker | 13:19 |
| svaye | jelkner: is the question for me? | 13:19 |
| jelkner | svaye, are you the person with the best access to Mr. Zawolo? | 13:19 |
| dcammue | Our current line has problem | 13:19 |
| dcammue | So this evening it will be fix | 13:20 |
| svaye | I wouldn't say best access but I can get in touch with him. | 13:20 |
| jelkner | i'm finding it very challenging to reach him, svaye | 13:20 |
| jelkner | he doesn't answer emails | 13:20 |
| jelkner | and he doesn't return texts | 13:20 |
| dcammue | Hmmm | 13:20 |
| jelkner | so i don't know how to communicate with him | 13:20 |
| svaye | jelkner: I can send him a message on WhatsApp for you | 13:20 |
| jelkner | that's what i'm asking svaye | 13:20 |
| dcammue | He doesn't answer either? | 13:20 |
| jelkner | apparently WhatsApp is his channel | 13:20 |
| jelkner | and since i can't use that | 13:20 |
| dcammue | Phone call? | 13:20 |
| jelkner | dcammue, he isn't picking up | 13:21 |
| jelkner | i've tried several times | 13:21 |
| dcammue | Hmmm | 13:21 |
| svaye | jelkner: should I repeat the email you sent him. | 13:21 |
| jelkner | svaye, i need to know if klarios and i should meet him at the Springfield Metro next week at the time i proposed | 13:21 |
| jelkner | he just needs to say "Yes, confirmed" or to propose something different if that doesn't work. | 13:22 |
| klarios | jelkner: I thought you talked with him last week? | 13:22 |
| jelkner | but time is short | 13:22 |
| svaye | Alright, I will send him that message now, and email you later if he replies | 13:22 |
| jelkner | and it will take me about 2 hours to reach that metro station | 13:22 |
| jelkner | so i don't want to go there without getting a confirmation | 13:23 |
| dcammue | I think so, but it will be later for any other matter that you wish to discuss with him jelkner | 13:23 |
| jelkner | svaye and dcammue, i also need to know about the check | 13:23 |
| jelkner | when i see mr. zawolo next wednesday, i'll either be giving him a check or cash | 13:24 |
| svaye | We could get an inquiry from the bank | 13:24 |
| jelkner | we need to figure that out *before* next wednesday! | 13:24 |
| jelkner | ok, look into that today please | 13:24 |
| svaye | dcammue: can you ask the guy who opened the account for us if it is possible | 13:24 |
| jelkner | we have tomorrow and monday and tuesday next week to decide | 13:25 |
| jelkner | ok you two | 13:25 |
| jelkner | you have a lot to do | 13:25 |
| jelkner | so do i | 13:25 |
| jelkner | anything else before we get to it? | 13:25 |
| dcammue | I will go to the bank and find out | 13:25 |
| jelkner | thanks dcammue | 13:25 |
| dcammue | How the process goes | 13:25 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you can get the updated statement at the same time | 13:26 |
| jelkner | so that you can update your financial records in gnucash | 13:26 |
| dcammue | Update statement for? | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i'm going to update the SJC records today | 13:26 |
| dcammue | Okay | 13:26 |
| jelkner | hmmm, dcammue, do you understand what we are trying to do next? | 13:26 |
| jelkner | you will have Jetro books in gnucash with the 5 big accounts | 13:27 |
| dcammue | Hmm some how | 13:27 |
| jelkner | what are those 5 big accounts? | 13:27 |
| dcammue | Checking account | 13:28 |
| jelkner | nope! | 13:28 |
| dcammue | Saving account | 13:28 |
| jelkner | nope! | 13:28 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll tell you | 13:28 |
| svaye | Asset, income, liability, expenses, and equity | 13:28 |
| jelkner | there you go svaye! | 13:28 |
| jelkner | i thought you've been reading the gnucash docs, dcammue | 13:28 |
| dcammue | Yes. But I was thinking of the sub accounts | 13:29 |
| dcammue | Not the header account | 13:29 |
| jelkner | Assets + Expenses = Liabilities + Income + Equity | 13:29 |
| jelkner | well that's not what i asked dcammue | 13:29 |
| jelkner | so checking and savings, what are they? | 13:30 |
| dcammue | They are part of assets account | 13:30 |
| jelkner | yes they are | 13:30 |
| dcammue | Under assets | 13:30 |
| jelkner | so for SJC, when jelkner makes a donation to SJC, one of the bank accounts is debited and the donations (which is an income account) gets credited | 13:31 |
| jelkner | so it will always be in balance | 13:31 |
| jelkner | that's why it is called double entry accounting | 13:31 |
| jelkner | all transactions sum to 0 | 13:32 |
| dcammue | Yes | 13:32 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:33 |
| jelkner | let's keep our sub accounts as simple as possible | 13:33 |
| jelkner | we want to learn the theory | 13:33 |
| jelkner | until it is 2nd nature to us | 13:33 |
| jelkner | so you will need for Jetro to have two Asset accounts at least | 13:33 |
| jelkner | checking and savings | 13:34 |
| jelkner | but there is more | 13:34 |
| jelkner | Jetro will be more complex than NOVA Web | 13:34 |
| jelkner | klarios and i were talking about this yesterday | 13:34 |
| jelkner | you have a generator | 13:34 |
| jelkner | that is an asset | 13:34 |
| klarios | yep, yall have physical assets | 13:34 |
| jelkner | soon you will have an office | 13:35 |
| jelkner | with a rental contract | 13:35 |
| jelkner | that will be a liability | 13:35 |
| jelkner | and expense | 13:35 |
| klarios | jelkner: as an llc in liberia, are taxes filed individually? or is there double taxation? | 13:35 |
| jelkner | you will need an internet contract | 13:35 |
| jelkner | another liability and expense | 13:35 |
| jelkner | klarios, i have no idea | 13:35 |
| jelkner | we will be relying on our young business majors to teach us about that ;-) | 13:36 |
| dcammue | Internet will be under utilities | 13:36 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:36 |
| klarios | +1 | 13:36 |
| jelkner | we will learn so much together by doing this | 13:36 |
| jelkner | i'm excited! | 13:37 |
| jelkner | i have to teach it to students next year | 13:37 |
| jelkner | so no i need to LEARN IT! ;-) | 13:37 |
| dcammue | Current bill, water bill all fall there as well | 13:37 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:37 |
| jelkner | we'll look at our specific situation | 13:37 |
| jelkner | and come up with categories that help us learn from your financial records | 13:37 |
| jelkner | let's strive to keep it as simple as we can | 13:38 |
| jelkner | we want it to help us | 13:38 |
| jelkner | not tie us down | 13:38 |
| dcammue | Yes | 13:38 |
| svaye | +1 | 13:38 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else before i get to work? | 13:38 |
| klarios | we have to coordinate when people access the database servers right? how can we do that effectively | 13:38 |
| gabriel_jetro | Just a quick reminder all, Saturday is my birthday, I'll be starting my 21th chapter. jelkner , klarios , svaye , cjones , thomasboimah , mulbah , dcammue, jkollie . | 13:39 |
| jelkner | klarios, we're such a small group | 13:39 |
| klarios | Happy early bday gabriel_jetro !! | 13:39 |
| jelkner | i doubt we will have much problem with that | 13:39 |
| thomasboimah | Happy pre bday gabriel_jetro ! | 13:39 |
| jelkner | LOL, i know it is gabriel_jetro | 13:39 |
| jelkner | you can expect a happy b'day email from me. | 13:39 |
| klarios | its dilcias bday tomorrow (we've gotta say happy bday jelkner ) | 13:39 |
| jelkner | it's on my calendar | 13:39 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure 😁 | 13:39 |
| jelkner | klarios, i'm about to call you | 13:40 |
| klarios | alright jelkner | 13:40 |
| jelkner | until tomorrow everyone... | 13:40 |
| svaye | Happy pre birthday gabriel_jetro | 13:40 |
| jelkner | svaye, please reach out to mr. zawolo | 13:40 |
| svaye | jelkner: | 13:40 |
| jelkner | svaye? | 13:40 |
| svaye | I sent him the message already, and he has seen it so I am awaiting his reply | 13:41 |
| jelkner | thanks | 13:41 |
| jelkner | i'll check back with you tomorrow | 13:41 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner | 13:41 |
| jelkner | you too! | 13:41 |
| jelkner | oh, one last thing | 13:41 |
| gabriel_jetro | Have a wonderful day all | 13:41 |
| jelkner | i updated the spreadsheet | 13:41 |
| dcammue | Okay | 13:42 |
| jelkner | showing $320 for dcammue and $160 for svaye for UoPeople fees | 13:42 |
| jelkner | you two need to register for classes right? | 13:42 |
| dcammue | Thanks jelkner | 13:42 |
| jelkner | now is the time | 13:42 |
| dcammue | I appreciate | 13:42 |
| jelkner | but we need to talk about the finances | 13:42 |
| svaye | Jelkner | 13:42 |
| jelkner | i'll be sending the money with mr. zawolo | 13:42 |
| jelkner | svaye? | 13:42 |
| jelkner | so you need to plan accordingly | 13:43 |
| jelkner | this is what we are learning | 13:43 |
| jelkner | to manage bills and payments | 13:43 |
| dcammue | jelkner: | 13:43 |
| jelkner | so that money is where it needs to be when it needs to be there | 13:43 |
| svaye | Mine should also be $320 because we didn't pay the last assessment fee | 13:43 |
| jelkner | ahh | 13:43 |
| jelkner | is $320 correct for dcammue then? | 13:44 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 13:44 |
| dcammue | If you do all the transfer as one including the amount you want to send by Mr. Zawolo? Will it cost more | 13:44 |
| jelkner | this is great btw | 13:44 |
| jelkner | i'm going to expect to see all these items in the Jetro financial records | 13:44 |
| svaye | jelkner: we always pay after the term, not before the term | 13:44 |
| jelkner | got you | 13:45 |
| jelkner | when is it due? | 13:45 |
| svaye | Before registration ends on August 6 | 13:45 |
| jelkner | this is becoming a long meeting | 13:45 |
| jelkner | but it is worth the effort | 13:45 |
| jelkner | since we need to learn to plan | 13:45 |
| jelkner | ok, i am hereby approving $640, but it will arrive too late | 13:46 |
| svaye | As soon as we complete the payment for last term we can register for the following term and pay the fees after the term | 13:46 |
| dcammue | If you do all the transfer as one including the amount you want to send by Mr. Zawolo? Will it cost more | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | klarios, | 13:46 |
| klarios | yes thomasboimah | 13:46 |
| jelkner | this is way it is SO IMPORTANT that Jetro develop a cash on hand balance | 13:46 |
| jelkner | in the savings account | 13:46 |
| thomasboimah | Should i prepare Ms. Scholl invoice or you will do that? | 13:46 |
| jelkner | so that you can draw from it today | 13:46 |
| dcammue | Okay | 13:47 |
| jelkner | and replenish it the 2nd week of august, when mr. zawolo brings you the payment | 13:47 |
| jelkner | do you have enough in saving to cover this? | 13:47 |
| dcammue | Yes | 13:47 |
| jelkner | perfect | 13:47 |
| jelkner | call a Jetro meeting | 13:47 |
| jelkner | get approval to use it to pay your registration | 13:47 |
| jelkner | and register now | 13:47 |
| jelkner | i will send the $640 with mr. zawolo | 13:48 |
| dcammue | Okay thanks | 13:48 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow | 13:48 |
| klarios | well unfortunately for us we had a $200 dollar limit with her. Lets still write the invoice, factor in your time gabriel_jetro and mulbah 's time + my time and hopefully sjc can either match or add the remaining amount missing | 13:48 |
| jelkner | oh wait | 13:48 |
| jelkner | darn, i can't get away from here today ;-) | 13:49 |
| klarios | thomasboimah: I should send you an email of my time | 13:49 |
| jelkner | but we are moving on so many fronts | 13:49 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:49 |
| klarios | yep, talking about so much | 13:49 |
| jelkner | klarios, thomasboimah let's talk | 13:49 |
| jelkner | i had an idea to help Jetro develop | 13:49 |
| jelkner | i told klarios about it | 13:49 |
| jelkner | i'm calling it SJC matching funds | 13:49 |
| jelkner | basically the idea is that when you take on a customer at this stage like Ms. Scholl, SJC will match whatever she pays you | 13:50 |
| jelkner | so you have a $400 for this project | 13:50 |
| jelkner | SJC will cover $200 | 13:50 |
| jelkner | you'll need 2 different invoices | 13:51 |
| jelkner | don't tell her about this | 13:51 |
| jelkner | just bill her for what you agreed | 13:51 |
| jelkner | when she pays | 13:51 |
| jelkner | and you collect | 13:51 |
| jelkner | you can bill SJC for the matching funds | 13:51 |
| klarios | +1 yep | 13:52 |
| jelkner | we won't do this forever of course | 13:52 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:52 |
| jelkner | and as svaye and dcammue will soon learn, SJC (which means yours truly) can only do this to a max of a few hundred dollars a month | 13:52 |
| jelkner | so we need to plan | 13:52 |
| dcammue | ACTION leaving | 13:53 |
| jelkner | but the idea is to allow Jetro to take on low resource customers and to learn their craft by serving them | 13:53 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 13:53 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 13:53 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:53 |
| jelkner | sweet | 13:53 |
| jelkner | ok, i will now FINALLY, log off! | 13:53 |
| jelkner | klarios, i'll call you in a minute | 13:54 |
| dcammue | ACTION too | 13:54 |
| jelkner | ACTION logs off until tomorrow | 13:54 |
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| svaye | Have a nice day everyone | 13:54 |
| svaye | ACTION signs off | 13:55 |
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| klarios | jkollie: | 14:14 |
| klarios | are you active? | 14:14 |
| klarios | I've got to have breakfast, would you like to meet at 11am my time? 3Pm your time? | 14:15 |
| klarios | jkollie: | 14:19 |
| klarios | are you active? | 14:20 |
| jkollie_ | yes | 14:24 |
| klarios | great! can I come back in 30 minutes? is that okay with you/ | 14:24 |
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| jkollie_ | +1 | 14:25 |
| klarios | i will be right back then | 14:25 |
| klarios | thank you! | 14:25 |
| jkollie_ | 0kay | 14:26 |
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| klarios | Hi jkollie ! | 15:06 |
| klarios | sorry I took a bit longer | 15:07 |
| jkollie | ts okay | 15:07 |
| klarios | lets get the workflow for decidim backend established | 15:07 |
| klarios | you mentioned you are working on HTML blocks right? | 15:07 |
| jkollie | +1 | 15:07 |
| klarios | you've done research on the base gems in decidim? or are they plug ins? | 15:07 |
| jkollie | not base gems | 15:08 |
| jkollie | just plug ins | 15:08 |
| klarios | ahh I see | 15:09 |
| klarios | which ones have you looked at? | 15:09 |
| klarios | we were also looking at the map plug in-s | 15:09 |
| klarios | right? | 15:09 |
| jkollie | yes we were | 15:10 |
| jkollie | did you read my update today? | 15:11 |
| klarios | yep I saw the logs | 15:12 |
| jkollie | okay | 15:12 |
| klarios | what are your questions? | 15:12 |
| jkollie | Do we need to add both the map and decidim content on the platform at once? | 15:13 |
| jkollie | I mean and Html content | 15:13 |
| klarios | we should figure out what works before we add it to the platform. I would say that the base gems would work best for HTML content | 15:14 |
| klarios | I think there was a specific gem that allows this as well | 15:14 |
| jkollie | really, tell me about it | 15:14 |
| klarios | https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/assemblies/novaweborg/f/60/results/3?included_in=Z2lkOi8vZGVjaWRpbS1hcHAvRGVjaWRpbTo6UHJvcG9zYWxzOjpQcm9wb3NhbC8xMQ | 15:15 |
| klarios | take a look at it | 15:15 |
| jkollie | sure | 15:15 |
| klarios | johan also wrote a post about the maps: https://decidim.novawebdevelopment.org/assemblies/novaweborg/f/18/posts/22 | 15:17 |
| jkollie | I guess johan and I just had smilar research | 15:19 |
| klarios | yep very similar but he worked front end more | 15:20 |
| klarios | getting into the backed of it at the beginning of decidim configuration was the tricky part | 15:20 |
| klarios | back-end | 15:20 |
| klarios | now that decidim is configurated we can use and test it | 15:21 |
| jkollie | that's why we need to setup a map service provider | 15:21 |
| jkollie | while we do the testing | 15:22 |
| klarios | yes! exactly | 15:22 |
| klarios | we already have a here maps account | 15:22 |
| klarios | I wanted to give you the developer login for bitwarden | 15:23 |
| jkollie | please do | 15:23 |
| klarios | jkollie: do you have a nextcloud account? or an account with mayfirst? | 15:23 |
| jkollie | just my mayfirst email that I'm using for roundcube mail | 15:24 |
| klarios | ahh so you must have a nextcloud accoutn | 15:25 |
| klarios | what is the username you use to log into roundcube? | 15:25 |
| jkollie | jkollie | 15:25 |
| klarios | alright I am adding youto the nextcloud shared drive | 15:28 |
| klarios | give me a second its loading | 15:28 |
| jkollie | alright | 15:28 |
| klarios | okay youve been invited | 15:29 |
| klarios | reload | 15:29 |
| jkollie | I just reload I didn't get the invite | 15:30 |
| klarios | check again | 15:31 |
| jkollie | or its it not suppose to be in the roundcube mail | 15:33 |
| jkollie | did you send the invite to my mail? | 15:34 |
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| klarios | sorry jkollie I got disconnected | 15:36 |
| klarios | yes it shouldve been sent to the account you sign in | 15:36 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/apps/dashboard/ | 15:36 |
| jkollie | that's netcloud | 15:37 |
| klarios | yep | 15:37 |
| klarios | log into nextcloud and check if the files is in the "share with me" | 15:37 |
| klarios | or "shares" | 15:38 |
| jkollie | I dont have an account in nextcloud or I'm I suppose to use the mayfirt login info? | 15:39 |
| klarios | you should have one | 15:41 |
| klarios | its the username and the password you use on roundcube | 15:41 |
| klarios | it should be | 15:41 |
| klarios | s | 15:46 |
| klarios | jkollie: | 15:46 |
| klarios | were you able to log in? | 15:46 |
| jkollie | I'm trying to login. just a minute | 15:46 |
| jkollie | I just login klarios | 15:49 |
| klarios | great! | 15:49 |
| klarios | do you see the file I shared? | 15:49 |
| jkollie | yes about 20 min ago you share | 15:50 |
| klarios | yesss | 15:51 |
| klarios | I put the info in there | 15:52 |
| klarios | can you see it | 15:52 |
| klarios | ? | 15:52 |
| jkollie | you mean the project info | 15:53 |
| klarios | no its called internal workflow | 15:54 |
| jkollie | I saw it | 15:55 |
| klarios | jkollie: try sending an email to this account | 15:55 |
| klarios | devs@novawebdevelopment.coop | 15:55 |
| klarios | I want to see if its working | 15:55 |
| klarios | for some reason I am not getting a confirmation code from bitwarden | 15:55 |
| jkollie | alright give me a minute | 15:56 |
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| jkollie | I just send the mail | 15:58 |
| jkollie | you can go adhead and ckeck if it's working | 15:59 |
| klarios | ok i check | 16:02 |
| klarios | that's so weird I did not get it | 16:02 |
| jkollie | hmmm | 16:03 |
| jkollie | what could be the problem | 16:03 |
| klarios | I am not sure | 16:03 |
| klarios | I might have to create a mailbox for the account | 16:04 |
| klarios | for now I have to give you access to the here maps log in information | 16:04 |
| klarios | I will just put it in nextcloud | 16:04 |
| jkollie | okay | 16:04 |
| klarios | okay youve been added | 16:05 |
| klarios | I would say log in and read the docs for the here maps plug in | 16:05 |
| klarios | but if you want to explore other maps that's an option too | 16:05 |
| klarios | I would say here maps is the best option to sue | 16:05 |
| klarios | use | 16:05 |
| klarios | but we might have to make our own | 16:06 |
| klarios | just because its hard to integrate | 16:06 |
| klarios | https://docs.decidim.org/en/develop/services/maps.html#configuring-here-maps | 16:06 |
| klarios | I've got to head out now but it was good to get set up with decidim | 16:06 |
| klarios | and nextcloud | 16:06 |
| klarios | our next step should be documenting this somehow | 16:06 |
| jkollie | alright | 16:07 |
| klarios | so that we update each other on what we do | 16:07 |
| klarios | do you have a codeberg account? | 16:07 |
| jkollie | no | 16:07 |
| klarios | you should start by making one | 16:08 |
| klarios | https://codeberg.org/user/sign_up | 16:08 |
| klarios | your username should be jkollie | 16:08 |
| klarios | itd be easier to add you to the documentation doc | 16:08 |
| klarios | this will be easier than using decidim | 16:09 |
| klarios | for now | 16:09 |
| jkollie | thanks klarios | 16:09 |
| klarios | no worries! create the account and I will create the doc | 16:09 |
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| klarios | lets meet on Thursday next week alright | 16:09 |
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| klarios | thank you for coming jkollie ! see you next week, lets update each other at the stand up meeting tomorrow | 16:11 |
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