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jelkner | Good morning mjsir911 | 10:34 |
mjsir911 | morning | 10:34 |
jelkner | I'm here at Gallaudet | 10:34 |
jelkner | Kevin is suffering, since that Mac here is driving him crazy | 10:35 |
jelkner | I don't suspect we will see him online today | 10:35 |
mjsir911 | Okay | 10:35 |
jelkner | I'm meeting with German at 11 am. | 10:35 |
jelkner | Do we have a weblog yet? | 10:35 |
mjsir911 | Yea but I can't deploy since it seems the webfactional server isn't accepting my publickey anymore | 10:35 |
jelkner | what's up with that, and how can we fix it? | 10:36 |
mjsir911 | I don't know, its giving me a strange error `muxclient: master hello exchange failed | 10:36 |
mjsir911 | Failed to connect to new control master` | 10:36 |
jelkner | As one of our sys admins, we are going to need you to have the access required, naturally. | 10:37 |
mjsir911 | yea of course | 10:37 |
jelkner | btw. Did you ever send Osvaldo the PDF with your invoice? | 10:37 |
jelkner | I don't recall seeing it. | 10:37 |
mjsir911 | Oh I did it but I didn't send the email. Do I attach it or just tell him its there? | 10:38 |
jelkner | If I'm going to nag you to get things done, I need to pay you. | 10:38 |
jelkner | Either way. | 10:38 |
jelkner | If it is in the shared drive, just link to it. | 10:38 |
mjsir911 | ok will do that ASAP | 10:38 |
jelkner | But without the email, he will never likely send you the money. | 10:38 |
mjsir911 | theres another problem though, I can generate html logs perfectly find for daily log files but what you see on schooltool's website is actually a wsgi application running with apache, it is serving the pages dynamically | 10:39 |
jelkner | yes, that's what we are going to want. | 10:40 |
mjsir911 | I think I need access to the webfactional frontend to create a wsgi application on webfaction | 10:41 |
jelkner | again, i don't care how the backend looks, though i suspect the pov folks knew what they were doing, as long as the front end is virtually indistinguishable from what #schooltool had | 10:41 |
jelkner | we will give you all the access you need. | 10:41 |
jelkner | Just tell me what you need. | 10:43 |
mjsir911 | 1 second | 10:44 |
mjsir911 | Yea the novawebdev webfactional credentials dont seem to be on google drive, and I need that | 10:45 |
mjsir911 | I've also got to figure out why it's not letting me log on | 10:45 |
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mjsir911 | Hello | 10:49 |
ubuntourist | Greetings from Gallaudet. | 10:50 |
mjsir911 | novawebdev.webfactional.com is closing the connection after i successfully authenticate :/ | 10:50 |
jelkner | ah, ubuntourist, i didn't expect to see you. | 10:50 |
jelkner | young master mjsir911 is having ssh troubles | 10:50 |
ubuntourist | I won't be glancing at this too often. (On the Mac, and getting into IRC via the web link I provided earlier in the week.) | 10:51 |
jelkner | understood | 10:51 |
jelkner | i expected not to see you at all | 10:51 |
jelkner | so it's an unexpected pleasure to see you. back to work now... | 10:51 |
mjsir911 | do you have ssh access to the website? is this localized to me? | 10:53 |
jelkner | let me check... | 10:53 |
jelkner | i can login without trouble | 10:55 |
jelkner | though i don't understand what i see | 10:56 |
mjsir911 | oh but it is letting you connect? | 10:56 |
mjsir911 | hmm | 10:56 |
jelkner | in my personal webfaction account i see several directories | 10:56 |
jelkner | including webapps | 10:56 |
mjsir911 | oh what about novawebdev@novawebdev.webfactional.com | 10:57 |
mjsir911 | is that what you are logged on to? | 10:57 |
jelkner | when i login to the novawebdev account, i see only a novawebdev directory | 10:58 |
jelkner | interesting, i can log in with my own account, but not with the novawebdev user | 10:59 |
jelkner | when i do the later, i get immediately kicked out | 10:59 |
mjsir911 | oh does it give you an error? | 10:59 |
mjsir911 | yep that is happening to me too, so that means somethings wrong with the account | 10:59 |
jelkner | connection to [ip address] closed by remote host | 10:59 |
jelkner | let me try the control panel | 11:00 |
jelkner | that works | 11:00 |
jelkner | login to the control panel and fix the problem, young jedi | 11:01 |
jelkner | my.webfaction.com | 11:01 |
mjsir911 | All you had to do was login? it works for me too now | 11:01 |
mjsir911 | oh um the server is running out of memory | 11:02 |
mjsir911 | -bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable | 11:02 |
mjsir911 | also I dont have the password to my.webfaction.com | 11:03 |
jelkner | wow, that's scary. we must have screwed up. | 11:07 |
mjsir911 | Might be ddos | 11:07 |
jelkner | can you give me a phone number to call, and i'll call you with the info you need to get to the control panel | 11:08 |
jelkner | you're going to need that anyway | 11:08 |
mjsir911 | +1 571 241 1115 | 11:09 |
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jelkner | hola, German | 11:13 |
German | Hey | 11:13 |
German | :D | 11:13 |
German | Can we talk here? | 11:14 |
jelkner | we are working to move regular communications to this place | 11:14 |
jelkner | for several reasons: | 11:14 |
jelkner | 1. it will autolog (Marco has that setup now). | 11:14 |
jelkner | 2. the logs will soon be browsable through a web interface (Marco is working on that now) | 11:15 |
German | that's cool man | 11:15 |
jelkner | 3. it will help build our coop, since it encourages collaboration | 11:15 |
jelkner | you and i can be meeting, but everyone else can see what we are talking about | 11:15 |
jelkner | and chime in if they feel they have something useful to add | 11:15 |
jelkner | anyway, to business | 11:16 |
jelkner | we have two things on our agenda today: | 11:16 |
jelkner | 1. Celina's website | 11:16 |
jelkner | 2. AEA website | 11:16 |
mjsir911 | I think we are just using all the memory of the webfaction server | 11:16 |
jelkner | mjsir911 how? | 11:16 |
German | Right now, I'm working on that | 11:16 |
jelkner | German, mjsir911 says we are running out of resources | 11:17 |
jelkner | on our novawebdev account | 11:17 |
mjsir911 | can't do anything on the webfaction server for novawebdev cuz it says Resource temporarily unavailable | 11:17 |
jelkner | we may need to ask replaceafill about that | 11:17 |
mjsir911 | I could troubleshoot more if I could run some commands | 11:17 |
German | oh, yeah I can't access to ssh | 11:18 |
German | I don't know why.. | 11:18 |
ubuntourist | jelkner, is there an after-school plan for today? (And just how soon is after-school today?) | 11:18 |
jelkner | mjsir911 through the control panel you should be able to shut things down | 11:18 |
mjsir911 | yea but which things? | 11:18 |
jelkner | ubuntourist: not today, i'm celebrating my son's b'day | 11:19 |
jelkner | mjsir911: everything you need to. | 11:19 |
jelkner | even our website | 11:19 |
mjsir911 | ok will do | 11:19 |
jelkner | then bring things up one at a time and see that is causing the problem | 11:19 |
jelkner | usually sys admins look in logs, too ;-) | 11:19 |
German | I haven't work on novawebdev, because I couldn't connect to ssh | 11:20 |
jelkner | but first you need shell access back | 11:20 |
jelkner | yes, German, that's the first problem | 11:20 |
jelkner | it is entirely possible that since we are using flask, a web application, for our website, there is a bug that is eating resources | 11:20 |
German | We have too many apps | 11:21 |
jelkner | what apps do we have? | 11:21 |
jelkner | most of the things we are working on are in their own accounts | 11:21 |
jelkner | aea is not on our account | 11:22 |
German | oh | 11:22 |
jelkner | the pwpc sites are all separate | 11:22 |
jelkner | the only thing i know that is running on our account now is our website | 11:22 |
mjsir911 | 12 websites, some with multiple applications | 11:22 |
jelkner | wow, really? | 11:22 |
mjsir911 | yea | 11:22 |
German | yeah but, we have apps that we don't use | 11:22 |
mjsir911 | still running though | 11:23 |
jelkner | ok, time to list them, and get rid of what we are not using | 11:23 |
jelkner | how do we have 12? | 11:23 |
German | yep | 11:23 |
jelkner | anyway, i will leave that in your able hands | 11:23 |
jelkner | i have to grade and lesson plan | 11:23 |
jelkner | so that i can earn $$ to pay you two ;-) | 11:23 |
mjsir911 | German, ssh should work now but dont expect to be able to do much after connected | 11:24 |
jelkner | so, let's have a brief meeting, German, to make plans, and then i'll leave you to it. | 11:24 |
jelkner | can we talk about 1? | 11:24 |
German | Celina's website? | 11:24 |
jelkner | yup | 11:24 |
German | ok | 11:24 |
jelkner | so, Celina is Roxana's cousin's wife. | 11:25 |
jelkner | Roxana and I went to her house (where we used to live) yesterday to knock on doors for her. | 11:25 |
ubuntourist | I may be the only one, but if you can keep MediaWiki running, I'd appreciate it. | 11:25 |
mjsir911 | oh will do | 11:25 |
jelkner | over half the people we talked to said, "I'll check out her website". | 11:26 |
jelkner | but she doesn't have one. | 11:26 |
German | yep | 11:26 |
jelkner | I was planning on making a cash contribution to her campaign, but instead, i told her i would contribute a website | 11:27 |
jelkner | i purchased celinabenitez.com last night | 11:27 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 - I'm SLOWLY migrating my pages from there to somewhere that I'm not subject to the winds of change (like this one). | 11:27 |
jelkner | now we need to get something up asap, since the election is one month from today | 11:27 |
German | ok | 11:27 |
mjsir911 | gotcha | 11:27 |
German | Right now, I'm working on that | 11:27 |
jelkner | perfect | 11:27 |
German | I need to talk to her | 11:28 |
German | about: colors, pictures and info | 11:28 |
jelkner | with the new problems with resources, let's put off the aea discussion until later this week | 11:28 |
German | oh | 11:28 |
jelkner | ok, let me call her. | 11:28 |
German | ok | 11:28 |
jelkner | give me a few minutes now. | 11:28 |
jelkner | brb. | 11:28 |
German | ok | 11:28 |
German | aea is running python 3.5 btw | 11:29 |
German | I have the new documentation, here is the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vj9br1O3jCFpah4gphXwNpvhfITm-7FygEjEmBLpYiw/edit | 11:30 |
mjsir911 | k | 11:32 |
mjsir911 | oops irc client broke a bit | 11:32 |
jelkner | German: do you have whatsapp ? | 11:33 |
jelkner | you mean the logger? | 11:33 |
jelkner | German? | 11:34 |
German | tell me | 11:34 |
jelkner | do you have whatsapp? | 11:34 |
German | the app? | 11:34 |
jelkner | yes | 11:34 |
German | yes! | 11:34 |
jelkner | celina thought you would | 11:34 |
jelkner | she said you can call her with that | 11:34 |
German | ok | 11:35 |
German | can you give me her number? | 11:35 |
jelkner | let's do a quick google hangout so i can give you here information | 11:35 |
German | ok | 11:35 |
mjsir911 | Do you get emails about the server, jelkner? | 11:37 |
* jelkner goes to check his email | 11:39 | |
jelkner | no | 11:39 |
German | jeff | 11:39 |
jelkner | yes? | 11:39 |
German | aea is running python 3.5 btw | 11:39 |
German | I have the new documentation, here is the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vj9br1O3jCFpah4gphXwNpvhfITm-7FygEjEmBLpYiw/edit | 11:39 |
jelkner | awesome | 11:39 |
jelkner | I'll look that over | 11:39 |
German | ok | 11:39 |
jelkner | but today i need to do school teacher work | 11:39 |
jelkner | or i'll be in trouble tomorrow | 11:40 |
jelkner | so i'm going to do that | 11:40 |
German | oka, no problem | 11:40 |
jelkner | and look at aea on Monday afternoon | 11:40 |
German | sure | 11:40 |
jelkner | we should remove the Django Control panel info, yes? | 11:41 |
German | mm yeah | 11:41 |
jelkner | what does mm mean? | 11:41 |
German | oh | 11:42 |
jelkner | you have to excuse me, i'm old, and don't know this language yet ;-) | 11:42 |
German | ah | 11:42 |
German | no problem, mm is ehmm | 11:42 |
jelkner | oh | 11:42 |
jelkner | that makes sense | 11:42 |
jelkner | so it doesn't mean anything ;-) | 11:42 |
German | an expression | 11:43 |
German | yep | 11:43 |
jelkner | i'm joking, German, i understand | 11:43 |
German | ah | 11:43 |
mjsir911 | So I've filed a ticket, I can't do enough on the control panel to properly fix this | 11:43 |
jelkner | mjsir911: ouch! | 11:43 |
jelkner | i need to get back to school work, so i'm hoping you can figure this out. | 11:44 |
mjsir911 | yea I've started up a couple websites back up because those dont seem to affect anything | 11:44 |
jelkner | we need to keep infrastructure running with minimal cost in time or effort, or our business model is broke | 11:44 |
jelkner | anyway, let's see what you can figure out, young jedi | 11:45 |
mjsir911 | Yea my hands are tied on this unfortunately | 11:45 |
German | haha | 11:45 |
mjsir911 | Gotta wait for someone on that end | 11:45 |
jelkner | let's see how they respond | 11:45 |
jelkner | i'll check in with you tomorrow | 11:45 |
mjsir911 | Will do | 11:46 |
jelkner | German, please email celina and cc me | 11:46 |
German | oka | 11:46 |
German | can i send the msg in spanish? | 11:46 |
jelkner | *please* | 11:46 |
German | Oka! | 11:46 |
jelkner | (or should i say *por favor*! ;-) | 11:46 |
German | jaja | 11:47 |
jelkner | mjsir911, i just got an email with the ticket | 11:47 |
jelkner | do you see those responses as well? | 11:47 |
German | we need to have this web site ready for this week? | 11:48 |
mjsir911 | I set it to CC me but im not getting emails... | 11:48 |
jelkner | Por favor! | 11:48 |
German | Ok, jeff | 11:48 |
German | :-) manos ala obra. | 11:48 |
jelkner | If we can't get something up by the end of this week, it's not worth doing. | 11:49 |
jelkner | she should be able to point people to it by next weekend | 11:49 |
jelkner | sooner, if possible | 11:49 |
jelkner | it can be simple (but bilingual) | 11:49 |
jelkner | and we can add to it later | 11:49 |
jelkner | manos ala obra! | 11:49 |
German | oka | 11:50 |
jelkner | mjsir911 do you want me to forward it to you? | 11:50 |
mjsir911 | yes please | 11:50 |
jelkner | You should set it so you get them. | 11:50 |
German | Ok, we have a plan | 11:51 |
jelkner | German, later, gater | 11:51 |
German | thx guys! | 11:51 |
German | bye! | 11:51 |
jelkner | jelkner drops the bag of gravel | 11:52 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 - I'm afraid you need to do things the old-fashioned way. Work. Hard. ;-) The future module you found broke OSC. | 11:54 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 - I cannot even fathom how. | 11:55 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 - I have to guess that it overrides the default built-in Python __future__ which I am using. | 11:56 |
ubuntourist | That OSC should break was completely unexpected. | 11:56 |
ubuntourist | (I guess I can set up a virtual machine for your app, and a different virtual machine for mine, | 11:57 |
ubuntourist | but since they're both supposed to be part of the same project, that seems odd.) | 11:57 |
mjsir911 | yea i'll just do it manually | 12:00 |
jelkner | mjsir911: did you see the reply from webfaction? | 12:18 |
jelkner | looks like you have your sysadmin job cut out for you. | 12:18 |
jelkner | too many threads | 12:18 |
mjsir911 | yep | 12:19 |
mjsir911 | Would you like to reply to tell which to kill? | 12:19 |
ubuntourist | If you REALLY need to kill the wiki, I suppose, I'll live ;-) As long as the files stay out there, I may be able to resurrect it somewhere else. | 12:21 |
mjsir911 | It seems our problem Isn't so much any singular application is using too many resources(suggested 2-5), it's that we have a lot of applications using 2-5 each | 12:22 |
ubuntourist | Can the lesser-used apps be encouraged to use fewer resources? (See "man nice" for example.) | 12:23 |
mjsir911 | it's not so much resources as thread count thats limiting us | 12:24 |
mjsir911 | and yes the threads can be reduced but to what effect I don't know | 12:24 |
* mjsir911 is afk | 12:33 | |
jelkner | ubuntourist: both you and aelkner use the wiki, but you are the only two at present. | 12:51 |
jelkner | can we get a list of the resources we are using, and decide together which to eliminate. | 12:52 |
jelkner | it's possible we would decide we can't eliminate any, and need to up our resources. | 12:52 |
jelkner | but that would cost, so naturally i'd like not to do that if we can help it | 12:52 |
jelkner | i think we are all in agreement that this irc channel will be a priority resource, yes? | 12:53 |
jelkner | we will use it daily, and having logging is an absolute requirement for me if we plan to do that. | 12:53 |
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ubuntourist | a question I posted there three weeks ago. | 13:28 |
jelkner | i think the reason i like it so much is that it is a "virtual place", and thinking about it that way helps build our virtual community, since we can meet in our virtual place | 13:34 |
jelkner | i can start a google chat, but once the chat is finished, the session ends, and you need to start another the next time you want to chat | 13:34 |
jelkner | you also need to explicitly invite people in each time | 13:35 |
jelkner | here, on the other hand, our virtual meeting place is always here. | 13:35 |
jelkner | we just have to show up | 13:35 |
jelkner | when we get in the habit of doing that, getting in touch with each other becomes really easy | 13:35 |
jelkner | and with logging in place, this also becomes a great tool for keeping track of important things "naturally" in the course of conversation | 13:36 |
ubuntourist | I guess I want that list of what the choices are before I declare IRC a higher priority than everything except our website itself. | 13:36 |
jelkner | well, suggest them | 13:36 |
jelkner | we've been using google hangouts for meetings. i think this is better | 13:37 |
jelkner | mjsir911 agrees | 13:37 |
jelkner | we would poll the others | 13:37 |
ubuntourist | What I mean is, what else is running that we need to give up? I don't know. That's what Marco's figuring out, right? | 13:37 |
jelkner | i hope so | 13:37 |
jelkner | we need a list of things running | 13:38 |
jelkner | we (and by we here i mean me ;-) are paying marco to be a sys admin on this, so i assume he will do it | 13:38 |
ubuntourist | Voice is a faster way to communicate. So, for SCHEDULED meetings, I still prefer the "invite to some audio system". For asynchronous | 13:38 |
jelkner | i would challenge you on that | 13:39 |
ubuntourist | communication, I've always been okay with e-mail but IRC and logging is okay. | 13:39 |
jelkner | for you it is faster, since you aren't responsible for managing communication | 13:39 |
ubuntourist | Ah. | 13:39 |
jelkner | for me, i have to remember what we decided, and send out an update with a summary, tasks, etc. | 13:39 |
jelkner | on irc, on the other hand, we get that for free | 13:40 |
ubuntourist | Fair enough. | 13:40 |
jelkner | let's give it a try, ubuntourist, and see how you like it after we use it a bit | 13:42 |
ubuntourist | I've still never really understood the popularity of IRC. It is like using Twitter for conversation. I'm too verbose to do that. ;-) | 13:42 |
jelkner | not at all | 13:42 |
jelkner | since the conversation is so much more readable! | 13:43 |
jelkner | if you've been away for a day or two and want to know what's been going on with novaweb, you can glance over two web pages (once marco gets that working) and have your answer | 13:43 |
jelkner | again, like a wiki, it is more about social relations than it is about tech | 13:44 |
jelkner | just the right amount of tech for the job | 13:44 |
jelkner | simple, low bandwidth, but very effective | 13:44 |
ubuntourist | That's how I use e-mail: Conversations, organized by date, searchable by subject, body, sender, recipient, date... | 13:45 |
jelkner | i use email like that too, but for a cooperative group, this is so much better | 13:45 |
jelkner | since an email once again must be directed at someone | 13:46 |
jelkner | this is a place we meet | 13:46 |
ubuntourist | Loggable, no need to answer the question "What is IRC?" ;-) | 13:46 |
ubuntourist | OK. I'm willing to give it a go. | 13:46 |
jelkner | sweet | 13:46 |
jelkner | thx! | 13:46 |
ubuntourist | Stepping away. Back in a bit. | 13:48 |
mjsir911 | so jelkner, we need to figure out what's important | 13:51 |
mjsir911 | https://my.webfaction.com/websites has; checkitout, douglas_flask, evote, evote_redirect(?), gorito_flask, jandji, novaweb, ourstorybook, site_jandji(?), timesheets, webappsdev, wiki | 13:55 |
ubuntourist | What's webappsdev? The others I sort of recognize. | 13:59 |
jelkner | cool, you can kill site_jandji jandji immediately | 14:00 |
jelkner | i believe production ourstorybook runs on another account. | 14:01 |
jelkner | let me check | 14:01 |
* jelkner calls mjsir911 with another login / password... | 14:06 | |
mjsir911 | ? | 14:07 |
jelkner | i just tried to call, but you didn't answer | 14:07 |
mjsir911 | oh sorry | 14:08 |
mjsir911 | I don't use my phone for calls often | 14:08 |
mjsir911 | password for what? | 14:08 |
jelkner | lol | 14:08 |
jelkner | still not answering | 14:09 |
jelkner | can you pick up the phone? | 14:09 |
mjsir911 | yea 1 min | 14:09 |
jelkner | i'll try again when you give me the word | 14:09 |
jelkner | ok, so remove: jandji and site_jandji(?) | 14:17 |
jelkner | remove checkitout | 14:17 |
jelkner | remove ourstorybook | 14:18 |
jelkner | hopefully that will give you the space you need for the irc logger | 14:19 |
jelkner | we definitely want that *before* next Tuesday's meeting | 14:19 |
jelkner | if we can get it, i'll ask to meet on irc next Tuesday | 14:19 |
jelkner | and put on the agenda continued cleanup of our webfaction resource | 14:20 |
jelkner | so at the beginning of the meeting, be prepared to make the same list you just put here (minus the ones you delete, of course, and the irc logger you add). | 14:20 |
jelkner | then we will ask each of us to claim which applications are theirs, and to say whether they need them or not. | 14:21 |
jelkner | i'm going to ask that the evote apps be moved to the aea webfaction account, since we are developing that for them. | 14:21 |
jelkner | sound good, mjsir911? | 14:21 |
mjsir911 | yea | 14:22 |
mjsir911 | I'm gonna ask to kill the evote processes since we arent using them right now | 14:22 |
mjsir911 | not delete the websites but just stop em from running | 14:22 |
jelkner | you can definitely do that | 14:22 |
jelkner | we aren't using it now | 14:22 |
mjsir911 | how did u fix the ssh problems? | 14:24 |
mjsir911 | I'm getting them again | 14:24 |
jelkner | ubuntourist: you can get a bike if you don't have your key! | 14:44 |
mjsir911 | ? | 14:44 |
mjsir911 | oh sorry looked like he said it | 14:45 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 Jeff wants to BikeShare to his next gig, and doesn't have the magic fob to unlock the bike. | 14:45 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 - He's just learned he can do it without the fob. | 14:46 |
mjsir911 | o ok | 14:46 |
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mjsir911 | @ubuntourist do you know how to quit with a quit message? | 16:04 |
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