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jelkner | Typical morning on #novawebdev, just /me and the Bots ;-) | 07:59 |
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jelkner | Did I get the slash wrong? \me or /me | 08:00 |
jelkner | hmmm... | 08:00 |
jelkner | \me tries again. | 08:00 |
* jelkner tries again. | 08:00 | |
jelkner | ahh, it has to start a line. | 08:00 |
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German | Hello jelkner | 10:07 |
jelkner | Hello, German | 10:07 |
German | I have an issue with celina's webfactional | 10:08 |
jelkner | what's wrong? | 10:08 |
German | For some reason my app doesn't work. jelkner | 10:09 |
jelkner | You should talk to your uncle | 10:10 |
German | ok | 10:10 |
jelkner | you know more than me about webfaction | 10:10 |
jelkner | he knows more than you ;-) | 10:10 |
German | Ok jelkner | 10:10 |
German | yes ;-) | 10:10 |
jelkner | you could also talk to mjsir911 | 10:11 |
jelkner | we are trying to get him up to speed on this, so we don't need to bother replaceafill all the time | 10:12 |
jelkner | we need redunancy in our skills if we are going to be successful | 10:12 |
German | btw, I have the layout for Calina's site, but she doesn't send me the information yet | 10:14 |
German | jelkner: | 10:15 |
German | and I talked with her yesterday. jelkner | 10:15 |
jelkner | i can call her | 10:15 |
German | The layout is ready | 10:15 |
German | I just need the info | 10:15 |
jelkner | hold on... | 10:16 |
jelkner | She didn't answer her phone, German | 10:19 |
German | ehmmm :-/ | 10:20 |
jelkner | And she doesn't have voicemail setup | 10:20 |
jelkner | Please send her a reminder email and cc me. | 10:20 |
German | oka | 10:20 |
jelkner | I can try to call her again this afternoon. | 10:20 |
jelkner | I'll text her also, since she uses that mostly. | 10:20 |
German | Ok jelkner | 10:20 |
German | thanks. | 10:20 |
German | Ok, I just send her a msg jelkner | 10:22 |
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German | I'll wait for the info jelkner | 10:38 |
jelkner | i talked to louie, German. | 10:39 |
jelkner | i'm thinking we may want to offer customers help with writing their content | 10:39 |
jelkner | he could potentially do that. | 10:39 |
jelkner | we should talk about it at our meeting | 10:40 |
German | that would be good jelkner | 10:40 |
German | Yeah, how I told you the design is done. jelkner | 10:41 |
jelkner | i've noticed a lot of customers say the want a website, but have trouble telling us what they want on it. | 10:41 |
jelkner | anyway, the ball, as they say, is in celina's court | 10:42 |
jelkner | let's wait for her to hit it back to us ;-) | 10:43 |
jelkner | we've done all we can | 10:43 |
German | yes | 10:43 |
jelkner | the thing i was telling louie is that if we don't get her website up it hurts us as well as her | 10:43 |
German | yep that's true | 10:44 |
jelkner | since we are spending valuable resources on something we can't use in our portfolio | 10:44 |
jelkner | ok, back to school work. | 10:44 |
German | ok | 10:44 |
jelkner | thnx, man! | 10:44 |
German | No problem, jelkner | 10:44 |
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jelkner | mjsir911: we have *a lot* to do today! | 11:53 |
jelkner | i'm looking forward to talking to you. | 11:53 |
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jelkner | hey, German! | 12:47 |
German | Hello jelkner | 12:53 |
jelkner | we need to figure out how to coordinate you and louie | 13:01 |
jelkner | Can you take what Celina sent you and put it on her home page? | 13:01 |
jelkner | Then we can ask Louie to edit it. | 13:02 |
German | ok | 13:06 |
German | I'll send you the static version, because I'm working with the flask version jelkner | 13:11 |
jelkner | German, we need to use this project and aea to perfect our workflow for this. mjsir911 is interested in helping with that, since it will involve using github triggers (?) | 13:13 |
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replaceafill | hi jelkner, are you around? | 13:34 |
jelkner | i sure am, replaceafill. i live here ;-) | 13:37 |
replaceafill | i saw your email about qunit | 13:37 |
jelkner | great | 13:37 |
replaceafill | IMO, if you think you need the db for qunit, something is not designed correctly | 13:38 |
replaceafill | if you need to access a db then you're doing functional testing, not unit testing | 13:38 |
replaceafill | correct? | 13:38 |
jelkner | i don't know, professor, i come to you as a beginner with only aspirations, not skills | 13:39 |
jelkner | i want to learn to do TDD | 13:39 |
replaceafill | dude, you teach this stuff! | 13:39 |
replaceafill | :D | 13:39 |
replaceafill | kidding | 13:39 |
jelkner | i'm just a high school teacher, dude! | 13:39 |
replaceafill | :D | 13:39 |
jelkner | did you see what mjsir911 did with decorators, btw? | 13:40 |
replaceafill | yes | 13:40 |
jelkner | the young jedi is pretty amazing. | 13:40 |
replaceafill | indeed | 13:40 |
jelkner | i'm going to learn a lot from him. | 13:41 |
replaceafill | so, i was looking at the client code, but seems... emtpy? | 13:41 |
replaceafill | empty* | 13:41 |
jelkner | there is a single test | 13:41 |
replaceafill | why is it in the client/html/index.html file? | 13:41 |
jelkner | that confirms that it gets 3 todo items | 13:41 |
replaceafill | isn't that supposed to be the client app? | 13:42 |
jelkner | hold on... | 13:42 |
jelkner | i was following this: https://qunitjs.com/ | 13:43 |
replaceafill | sure, but you want a separate file for the qunit test setup | 13:44 |
jelkner | anyway, i'd be most grateful if you could get me started with how to setup client side testing | 13:44 |
replaceafill | (what you currently have in index.html) | 13:44 |
jelkner | any chance you could show me how to do that? | 13:44 |
replaceafill | not today, sorry | 13:45 |
replaceafill | i'm swampped right now | 13:45 |
jelkner | ok, when you can | 13:45 |
replaceafill | weekend? | 13:45 |
jelkner | sure | 13:45 |
replaceafill | cool | 13:45 |
jelkner | weekend sounds great | 13:45 |
replaceafill | that works for me | 13:45 |
replaceafill | sunday works best for me | 13:45 |
jelkner | me too | 13:46 |
jelkner | i'll be at gallaudet | 13:46 |
replaceafill | you should add to the README.md of both server/client how you are testing them | 13:46 |
jelkner | we can also do it asynchronously | 13:46 |
replaceafill | ah ok | 13:46 |
replaceafill | hhmm | 13:47 |
jelkner | what mjsir911 did was just a branch and pull request | 13:47 |
jelkner | i looked at the changes and understood | 13:47 |
replaceafill | ok, we can try that | 13:47 |
jelkner | i'm not even sure qunit is what you want me to use | 13:47 |
replaceafill | right | 13:48 |
jelkner | i did some googling and that looked most promising | 13:48 |
jelkner | but you're the boss | 13:48 |
replaceafill | i'm not sure what you're trying to do :D | 13:48 |
jelkner | well, that i can tell you in English | 13:48 |
replaceafill | "learning TDD" doesn't say much about the goal of the client directory | 13:48 |
jelkner | i want to write a failing test that says "you can load the task list from the REST server" | 13:49 |
jelkner | then i want to make that pass | 13:49 |
jelkner | (i already did that, but i'm using the "real" database") | 13:49 |
jelkner | so i need to not use the real database | 13:49 |
replaceafill | in a qunit test you usually use hardcoded data for that | 13:50 |
replaceafill | like pure lists or {} objects | 13:50 |
jelkner | then, i want a failing test that says, "the list items are displayed nicely in an html list". | 13:50 |
jelkner | ok, I can do that | 13:50 |
jelkner | if you look at the commented out script, you can see i was trying to go that route | 13:50 |
replaceafill | yeah | 13:50 |
jelkner | but i didn't know the right way to do things | 13:50 |
replaceafill | hold on | 13:51 |
jelkner | from there we will have tests like: this checkbox was checked and the submit button was pressed, and it formulated the proper JSON and http header to sent a PUT request | 13:51 |
jelkner | etc. | 13:52 |
replaceafill | jelkner, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/trunk/view/head:/src/schooltool/skin/flourish/resources/qtest.js | 13:54 |
replaceafill | sorry that ST is all i know :( | 13:54 |
jelkner | ST? | 13:55 |
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replaceafill | SchoolTool | 13:55 |
jelkner | np, man, that's what we can learn from! :-) | 13:55 |
replaceafill | and here's the setup: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/trunk/view/head:/src/schooltool/skin/flourish/resources/qunit.html | 13:55 |
replaceafill | all the gradebook.js functions are imported into the global namespace | 13:55 |
replaceafill | which is terrible btw | 13:55 |
replaceafill | :) | 13:55 |
replaceafill | and then the qtest.js uses them | 13:56 |
replaceafill | but you can see most of the tests create their own setup elements | 13:56 |
replaceafill | like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~schooltool-owners/schooltool/trunk/view/head:/src/schooltool/skin/flourish/resources/qtest.js#L118 | 13:56 |
replaceafill | it doesn't need a full "real" table | 13:57 |
replaceafill | gathered from a db | 13:57 |
jelkner | this likes a great resource | 13:59 |
jelkner | i'll look it over before Sunday | 13:59 |
jelkner | thnx!! | 13:59 |
replaceafill | :) | 14:00 |
replaceafill | you don't need to test that the db is sending 3 tasks, right? | 14:02 |
replaceafill | that's already tested in the server code | 14:02 |
replaceafill | you need to test that if you give some client function a list with three objects, it can represent them in a table like cells | 14:03 |
replaceafill | (or something like that) | 14:03 |
German | I'll send you the link to celina's site, jelkner | 14:03 |
jelkner | type it here | 14:04 |
replaceafill | hi German | 14:04 |
jelkner | so i can easily find it | 14:04 |
German | Hello, replaceafill | 14:04 |
German | did you see my email? replaceafill | 14:04 |
replaceafill | German, i saw your email | 14:04 |
replaceafill | yes | 14:04 |
replaceafill | what's the issue? | 14:04 |
German | for some reason my webfactional app doesn't work, replaceafill | 14:05 |
replaceafill | what's the repo? | 14:06 |
replaceafill | for the app | 14:06 |
German | I don't repo | 14:06 |
German | this app is on celina's webfactional | 14:07 |
replaceafill | German, hm? | 14:07 |
replaceafill | let me try to understand | 14:08 |
replaceafill | Celina needs a bilingual flask app, correct? | 14:08 |
replaceafill | like the one running for www.novawebdevelopment.com | 14:08 |
German | yes | 14:08 |
replaceafill | so, www.novawebdevelopment.com uses code from github.com, correct? | 14:09 |
replaceafill | novawebdevelopment/Website, iirc | 14:09 |
replaceafill | German? | 14:09 |
replaceafill | German, please try to say what you want to say over the phone here | 14:10 |
replaceafill | i need you to develop that skill | 14:10 |
replaceafill | (i know the phone would be faster, easier, whatever) | 14:11 |
replaceafill | but you need to learn IRC | 14:11 |
German | :-( | 14:11 |
replaceafill | so, she needs a flask app, right? | 14:11 |
German | I set up my app, but when I restart apache2, replaceafill | 14:15 |
German | it doesn't show anything just the default html from webfaction, replaceafill | 14:15 |
replaceafill | German, what's the repo for the flask app? | 14:15 |
German | I don't have repo at the moment, I have to create one | 14:16 |
replaceafill | sigh... | 14:16 |
German | this is the url http://celinafmln.webfactional.com/ | 14:16 |
replaceafill | you *should* start with the repo | 14:16 |
replaceafill | you know that, don't you? | 14:17 |
German | I don't know how to explain you this problem | 14:17 |
replaceafill | German, it would help if i could see code | 14:18 |
replaceafill | maybe it's a typo, maybe it's a misconfiguration, maybe... maybe... | 14:18 |
replaceafill | you know what i mean? | 14:18 |
German | replaceafill, even with static files, the app doesn't work | 14:18 |
German | I mean the static app | 14:19 |
German | it doesn't work | 14:19 |
replaceafill | can you paste the link to the credentials doc? | 14:21 |
replaceafill | btw | 14:21 |
replaceafill | always assume these conversations are public | 14:21 |
replaceafill | never disclose production passwords here | 14:21 |
replaceafill | it's ok to share username/passwords to "testing" things | 14:22 |
replaceafill | but remember, there's even a log of all of this | 14:22 |
replaceafill | it's ok to paste google doc url IMO | 14:22 |
replaceafill | urls* | 14:22 |
replaceafill | since those need authentication | 14:23 |
German | replaceafill, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Riw6p9NuQcRpLgRFOJzVWhicJywAxJkIShLfnE-GpHY/edit#heading=h.4p56vr7tv6bl | 14:23 |
replaceafill | thanks | 14:23 |
replaceafill | looking | 14:23 |
replaceafill | German, got the webfaction comming soon message | 14:31 |
replaceafill | German, you said you tried with a static webfaction app? | 14:32 |
German | yes, replaceafill | 14:32 |
German | I uploaded a static website to test it, but it didn't work, replaceafill | 14:33 |
replaceafill | German, apache is not even being hit by the request | 14:35 |
replaceafill | German, when did you set it up? | 14:36 |
German | yesterday at night, replaceafill | 14:36 |
replaceafill | German, everything seems correct | 14:45 |
replaceafill | and dns seems to be solving already | 14:46 |
replaceafill | i want to see how long those take, i just set a new app "test" under dev.celina... | 14:47 |
replaceafill | German, are you making progress on the *FLASK* app? | 14:48 |
replaceafill | i recommend you to continue with that | 14:48 |
German | I'm working on that, replaceafill | 14:48 |
replaceafill | if you need to show things, you can use the novawebdev webfaction in the meantime | 14:48 |
replaceafill | gorito ftw :) | 14:48 |
German | ok, replaceafill ;-) | 14:49 |
replaceafill | i'll check again tonight | 14:49 |
replaceafill | if it "starts" to work (the celina... domain), let me know | 14:49 |
German | ok, replaceafill | 14:50 |
German | jelkner, are you there? | 14:50 |
jelkner | i practically live here, German. yes ;-) | 14:51 |
jelkner | German, replaceafill is absolutely right (as usual), you should *start* with a github repo. | 14:53 |
jelkner | That will make collaboration so much easier | 14:53 |
jelkner | eventually, you will be very glad you learned to do that | 14:53 |
jelkner | even though it may seem like extra work now | 14:53 |
German | ok, jelkner | 14:54 |
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German | this is the link for celina's site "static version", jelkner | 14:55 |
German | http://students.gctaa.net/~gfernando/, jelkner | 14:55 |
jelkner | replaceafill, question - what happens to that url when someone who is not shared on the doc gets it? | 14:56 |
jelkner | when i click on it, i go to the doc (nice and easy) | 14:56 |
jelkner | but we wouldn't want docs with sensitive information to end up out in public. | 14:56 |
replaceafill | jelkner, you're probably already logged in to gmail or google | 14:59 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, ConfigMaker/stable is back to failing with super()... | 15:00 |
mjsir911 | on python3??? | 15:00 |
mjsir911 | Try pulling because It's working perfectly fine for me, issue a bug on github if it continues to not work with system specs :P | 15:01 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 Hold a sec. Maybe I don't have the special future module on this machine. | 15:01 |
mjsir911 | I uninstalled future module, are you using python2 or python3? | 15:03 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, On the Mac, python2 is my only option. I thought that was WELL established, and that you told me stable would stay at python2... | 15:06 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, the install.sh and requirements.txt that I set up assume that your code will live in a virtual environment, since installing future globally messed things up, but installing it in a virtualenv for your code alone worked. | 15:08 |
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jelkner | hello, amanuel! | 15:19 |
jelkner | i was telling amanuel that by signing in to this channel whenever he starts work, and signing out when he finishes, he would have an easy way to keep track of his hours. | 15:20 |
jelkner | irc, the gift that keeps on giving! | 15:20 |
amanuel | Yes sir, whats up | 15:21 |
jelkner | i just wrote what's up ;-) | 15:21 |
jelkner | do you know about our auto web logger that mjsir911 setup? | 15:21 |
mjsir911 | Ubuntourist, working on getting it back to python2, srry | 15:21 |
amanuel | you are right in terms of keeping hours | 15:22 |
jelkner | http://novawebdevelopment.com/irclogs/ | 15:23 |
ubuntourist | Once again, though, register your nicknames if you have not done so already. | 15:23 |
mjsir911 | Ported back to python2 | 15:23 |
jelkner | together we are writing the history of nova web development | 15:23 |
jelkner | it will be fun to look back on these logs years from now when we are a thriving business | 15:24 |
jelkner | and remember how it all started | 15:24 |
jelkner | mjsir911: let's go over some of the things we need to get working: | 15:25 |
ubuntourist | To learn about registration and identify type (on two lines) "/msg nickserv help register" and "/msg nickserv help identify" (in IRC but without quotes). | 15:25 |
ubuntourist | jelkner: He needs to have ConfigMaker working by TOMORROW. | 15:25 |
jelkner | never mind, mjsir911 | 15:26 |
jelkner | we'll talk Sunday | 15:26 |
mjsir911 | ubuntourist try running the newest version | 15:26 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 Will do in a second. | 15:29 |
jelkner | ubuntourist: what is the name of the department that Chiz works in? | 15:32 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, it appears to be working. | 15:33 |
jelkner | I'm filling out that Arlington Community Foundation grant application, which is due tomorrow | 15:33 |
mjsir911 | Yea sorry I misunderstood. | 15:34 |
ubuntourist | jelkner, the whole unit which includes both Dragana and Chiz is the Hearing, Speech and Language Sciences (HSLS) department. | 15:34 |
ubuntourist | Chiz's project is simply called the Balance Lab. | 15:35 |
jelkner | i'll just put: Gallaudet University, Department of Hearing, Speech and Languages Sciences (HSLS) | 15:35 |
ubuntourist | By the way, on Sunday, we'll have a BRIEF field trip to the basement snack bar to look at the exhibit on the Gallaudet Eleven. | 15:35 |
jelkner | cool | 15:35 |
ubuntourist | This seems to be a banner year for balance and vestibular studies. Dragana is cooking up something in that area as well, I think. And the Gallaudet Eleven is all about vestibular systems in zero gravity. | 15:37 |
ubuntourist | (I think the exhibit will be up by then. They were putting it up last week. Slowly.) | 15:37 |
mjsir911 | ubuntourist where did you want default save location to be | 15:42 |
mjsir911 | ? | 15:42 |
mjsir911 | Oh neverm mind found it in the logs :P | 15:43 |
jelkner | ubuntourist: does mjsir911 have anything pressing to fix for you now? | 15:46 |
jelkner | i don't want to distract him, but we have a lot of things we need to work on. | 15:46 |
ubuntourist | jelkner, I'm still testing. | 15:46 |
jelkner | he told me he thought he was done | 15:46 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, ~/Code/dragana/Sound Advice/Presets/ | 15:46 |
ubuntourist | I'm using os.path.expanduser() to make the "~" cross-platform. | 15:47 |
jelkner | mjsir911: are you ready for the task list? | 15:47 |
mjsir911 | ubuntourist I set the new save location, ping me if any other problems | 15:48 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, it is your belief / hope that the trials portion is fully functional? (I'm slowly adding multiple trials to see.) | 15:48 |
mjsir911 | Yes ido believe that trials works completely | 15:48 |
mjsir911 | Yea im ready for task list jelkner | 15:49 |
jelkner | 1. help German and jelkner implement and test a work flow for the AEA and Celina Benitez websites. This means deciding on our standard way to run both production and dev instances side-by-side | 15:52 |
jelkner | Having me (and German) running dev instances on our local machines so we can make changes | 15:52 |
jelkner | and then web hooks so we can push changes to github and have them deploy to the dev instance. | 15:53 |
mjsir911 | which server are we deploying on? | 15:53 |
mjsir911 | deploying development on | 15:54 |
jelkner | aea and celina both have their own web faction accounts | 15:55 |
jelkner | the credentials are in our shared docs. | 15:55 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, I will have to see what caused it, but I managed to get an IndexError: list index out of range exception. It looks like it was caused by a zero-length list. But the program hasn't crashed. | 15:56 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, I probably spun a spinbox down to zero, but I didn't notice the error until I switched back to a terminal window after lots of experimenting. | 15:56 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, So I don't know where / when it occurred. | 15:57 |
mjsir911 | Yea that's normal should probably give a better exception message for it | 15:57 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, I sent a pull request. A new install.sh. Amazing what happens when Bash interprets a Python script as a Bash script. ;-) | 16:18 |
ubuntourist | jelkner, did you get gmail e-mail from me a second or two ago? | 16:18 |
mjsir911 | !remind delete aeava cms | 16:20 |
remindBot | will print delete aeava cms at 2017-04-11 19:00:00 | 16:20 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, It appears to store everything for trials, but loading a file it saved, it ignores "program" and "targets". So, editing old documents is fraught with peril. | 16:35 |
ubuntourist | !remind me when? | 16:36 |
remindBot | will print me when? at 2017-04-11 19:00:00 | 16:36 |
mjsir911 | gotcha, will work on that ASAP | 16:37 |
mjsir911 | set it up to auto remind on tuesdays, its not smart enough to know we rescheduled | 16:37 |
ubuntourist | I see remindBot always likes meeting time? | 16:37 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911 I really hadn't investigated remindBot and just decided to see what time it would pick. When it picked the same time twice, I figured you'd set it to "next tuesday at 7" as either a default or the only time it knows. | 16:39 |
mjsir911 | yea thats exactly what I did, next tuesday at seven | 16:39 |
mjsir911 | ubuntourist, what did we agree on with targets. Are we starting at 0 or 1? | 16:51 |
ubuntourist | Targets start at 1. | 16:51 |
ubuntourist | mjsir911, targets are speakers, and the speakers are 1 through 8. | 16:51 |
mjsir911 | k | 16:52 |
mjsir911 | ignoring program and targets is resolved, pls confirm and close issue #6 | 16:52 |
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german | Hello, jelkner | 20:45 |
jelkner | hello german | 20:49 |
german | did you see the url?, jelkner | 20:50 |
jelkner | no | 20:50 |
jelkner | where? | 20:50 |
german | ok wait | 20:50 |
jelkner | paste it here | 20:50 |
jelkner | makes it easier to find | 20:50 |
german | I did, jelkner | 20:50 |
german | but here is again: http://students.gctaa.net/~gfernando/celina/ | 20:51 |
jelkner | awesome! | 20:51 |
jelkner | let me call louie tomorrow morning | 20:52 |
jelkner | it is late now, and i am sleepy | 20:52 |
jelkner | plus i have to go home soon | 20:52 |
jelkner | and clean up my classroom after our meet up ends a 9 | 20:52 |
german | I'll call celina tomorrow again | 20:52 |
jelkner | i'll show this to louie | 20:52 |
german | ok. jelkner | 20:52 |
jelkner | and ask if he has time this weekend to work on this | 20:53 |
jelkner | i'll message you early tomorrow | 20:53 |
german | Some of the info that celina gave us is on "Get Involved" | 20:53 |
german | jelkner, | 20:53 |
jelkner | it looks great | 20:53 |
german | ok jelkner | 20:53 |
jelkner | we need to get the lorum ipsum replaced or removed, get the text in both languages, and get the site deployed | 20:54 |
jelkner | this weekend would be a great target | 20:54 |
german | yep | 20:54 |
jelkner | let's see if we can make it happen by Sunday night | 20:54 |
jelkner | great work, man. Thanks! | 20:54 |
german | Thanks, man | 20:55 |
jelkner | hasta mañana | 20:55 |
german | hasta mañana ;-) | 20:55 |
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