IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2017-07-25

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mjsir911FYI I enabled javascript on jupyter for z0nny, but havent told him yet12:32
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replaceafillhello jelkner12:39
replaceafilljelkner, is your kvm reachable from outside?12:39
jelknerit is on a nat that kvm creates with a virtual switch12:47
jelknerthe default network is 192.168.122.x12:47
replaceafilljelkner, and you didn't get an error on the last step: sudo service apache2 restart?12:48
jelknerapache is running12:48
replaceafilldid you try: http://.../install.php?12:48
jelknerbut it probably isn't configured to allow remote connections12:48
jelknerno, i tried index.php12:49
jelknerlet me try12:49
jelknernote that this kvm works like a charm12:49
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mr_germangood morning12:51
jelknernever mind, replaceafill12:51
jelkneri'm an idiot12:52
jelkner(but you knew that already :-(12:52
replaceafilljelkner, what was the problem?12:52
jelknerthe ip address ends in 163, not 16812:52
replaceafilljelkner, ah!12:52
jelknerif you point the browser at the right ip address, it works12:52
replaceafilljelkner, well, 3 is similar to 812:52
jelkneryeah, your just trying to make me feel better12:53
jelkneri have no excuse12:53
jelkneranyway, onward12:53
replaceafilljelkner, glad it works so far ;)12:53
jelknerben just wrote me from agaric12:53
jelkneri'm going to reply to that12:53
jelkneri wanted to get some work done on labor4ourrev12:53
jelknerbut correspondence and outreach keeps me busy12:54
jelkneri'll probably end up asking mr_german to handle that12:54
replaceafilljelkner, team work :)12:54
jelknerbtw, i've begun lurking on #civicrm12:54
jelknerand will be spending more time reaching out to the civicrm community12:55
replaceafilljelkner, ah good12:55
jelknerwe are going to need allies interested in what we are trying to do12:55
jelknerwho are well connected to the core group of civicrm devs12:55
replaceafilljelkner, indeed12:56
jelknerdid you see my email to rand, amity, you, and louie?12:56
replaceafilljelkner, yes12:56
jelknerthe more i think about this and talk to folks about it, the clearer it becomes just what our business plan is all about12:56
jelknerit's becoming clearer to me, at least, but i don't know what ya'll think about it ;-)12:57
replaceafilljelkner, the postgis part is my biggest concern12:57
jelknerwe can put that off for now12:58
replaceafilljelkner, sure12:58
jelknerbut i think not for long12:58
replaceafilljelkner, i just don't know how to solve it properly12:58
jelknerwe may just have multiple databases12:58
replaceafilljelkner, that thought has crossed my mind12:58
jelknerthat again, for better or worse, is one of the nice things about sql12:58
jelknerit isn't hard to copy data from mysql to postgresql12:59
jelknerand we could automate that12:59
replaceafilljelkner, that's the idea12:59
jelknerall the while reaching out to the civicrm community12:59
jelknerand finding a core developer who likes what we are doing and wants to work on postresql support from civicrm13:00
jelknerthis is going to be a wild ride13:00
jelknerif we are even half way successful, it will move fast, and involve serious resources13:00
jelknermr_german, r u here?13:01
mr_germanyes jelkner 13:01
jelknerdo you have time to work on rand's request?13:01
jelknerhe and labor4ourrev are so important to our project13:02
jelkneri don't want to keep him waiting too long13:02
mr_germanjelkner, at the momemnt I'm working on Elizabeth's site13:02
jelknerwill that take all day?13:02
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jelknerz0nny, you are blocked on the national hostipal site for now, yes?13:03
zOnnyyes! jeff13:04
mr_germanreplaceafill, could you help me with that?13:05
mjsir911z0nny check ur private messages13:06
replaceafillmr_german, help with what?13:06
mr_germanreplaceafill, help with Rand's request13:07
mr_germanmaybe you could explain me more better, because I have some questions13:07
replaceafillmr_german, what is it that you don't understand?13:08
mr_germanreplaceafill, things like "We are going to need a place where people can sign up and volunteer"13:09
replaceafilljelkner, where's the "first user story" that you mention in your email to Rand and Amity?13:09
replaceafilljelkner, ah never mind13:09
replaceafilljelkner, i'm an idiot... but you know that already :D13:09
replaceafillmr_german, i think you just need a button/link for that13:12
jelknerlol, replaceafill13:12
replaceafillmr_german, you don't need to *implement* the sign up page13:13
replaceafilljelkner, i was looking for issues13:13
replaceafilljelkner, but you used milestones :)13:13
jelkneryeah, that was mjsir911's suggest13:13
jelkneri'll put the blame on him13:14
jelknersince gitlab has new features13:14
replaceafilljelkner, hhmm, a milestone is usually a collection of issues13:15
jelkneryes, i understand13:15
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, you gather issues that you want solved by a particular date13:15
mjsir911mileston=long term goal13:15
mjsir911issues=short term thing/part of mileston13:15
jelkneri think that will be the case for each of the milestone's i filed13:15
jelkneryou may have to fill in some of the issues yourself13:15
jelknersince you know how to break it down better than me13:16
jelknerand please tell me if you think any of the milestones i filled aren't "big" enough to be milestones13:16
jelkneri figured they were13:16
jelkneri'll need to be trained on this13:16
replaceafilljelkner, sure13:17
replaceafilljelkner, we'll figure it out along the way :)13:17
jelkneryup, the agile way ;-)13:18
replaceafillmr_german, does my button/link suggestion makes sense?13:18
mr_germanreplaceafill, yes13:19
jelkneroh, btw, just pointing the browser at the ip address of the vm automatically loads the install.php page13:19
jelknerit is asking me to select between "standard" and "minimal"13:19
replaceafilljelkner, drupal is smart :)13:19
replaceafilljelkner, you can read about that here:
replaceafilljelkner, just go with standard13:20
jelknerokie dokie, back to my installation...13:20
replaceafillmr_german, let me and jelkner know if you don't understand something else13:21
replaceafilljelkner, interesting discussion in the drutopia issue Ben linked13:26
replaceafilljelkner, looks like some people want a "simpler" solution13:27
jelkneri will read that shortly13:27
replaceafillACTION stops interrupting jelkner13:28
jelknerfirst let me try to finish this civicrm installation ;-)13:28
replaceafillgo go go!13:28
jelknernot at all, replaceafill, i need to read those things13:28
jelknerit's just that i can't walk and chew gum at the same time13:28
jelknermuch less install and read13:28
mr_germanjelkner, I want to show you 13:31
jelkneryes, i've seen it13:32
jelkneri've even updated my local git repo for it13:33
jelknerthis is going to force us to learn jekyll13:33
jelkneror however you spell it13:33
jelkneroh, btw, i meant to send that image to ncerna to produce an svg13:34
jelknerthe logo i mean13:34
jelknerbut it is now in the repo13:34
jelknerso you have it13:34
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mr_germanjelkner, can you see the changes?13:35
jelknerthey take a few minutes to update13:35
jelknerso i usually look at them on my local machine13:35
jelknerand trust they will appear on the deployed site in time13:36
jelkneri don't know how long it takes13:36
jelknerbut there is a delay13:36
mr_germanjelkner, try ctrl + shift + r13:37
jelknerso what do you want me to look at?13:38
jelkneri see the about me page13:38
jelknernot about me13:39
jelknerbut rather about13:39
mr_germanjelkner, nvm, I need to add the rest of the info13:45
mjsir911zOnny, are you there?13:49
mr_germanACTION goes to lunch13:53
zOnnyhello guys..13:54
zOnnyhello mr_german13:57
jelknerreplaceafill, any suggestions (or requirements) for naming my database?14:06
jelkneri'm at that screen14:06
jelknerand don't know how to proceed14:07
jelknernever mind14:09
jelknerit is drupalsite14:09
jelknerbut i don't know the password14:11
jelknerreplaceafill, r u here?14:11
jelknerwell, no red asterisk, perhaps it's not required14:12
jelknernope, that didn't work14:14
jelknerit needs a password14:14
mr_germanACTION is back14:39
jelkner!remind Briefly discuss
jelkner!remind How should we share our user stories with Agaric?14:54
replaceafillACTION is back16:04
replaceafilljelkner, sorry for the late reply, we had the inlaws visiting16:04
jelknernp, replaceafill16:04
replaceafilljelkner, the database/username/password for the drupal site should be 'drupalsite'16:04
replaceafilljelkner, i mean, if you've been following the gist16:05
jelkneri have been replaceafill16:06
jelknerbut don't know what to do for email16:06
jelkneri failed on that16:06
jelkneri tried using drupal@localhost16:07
jelknerit failed16:07
replaceafilljelkner, i suggest using a dummy one16:07
replaceafilljelkner, that can be changed later16:07
jelknersuch as?16:07
replaceafilljelkner, ?16:07
jelknerlet me see if it will let me resume where i left off16:08
jelkneri shut down the server without finishing16:08
jelknerreplaceafill, i've read the docs ben sent16:08
jelknerit seems pretty clear to me that civicrm is the only game in town16:08
jelkneri'm a bit uneasy that isn't clear to them16:09
jelknerbut it may be because they are doing what we are doing16:09
replaceafilljelkner, right16:09
jelknerperhaps they want a customer relations management (CRM)16:09
jelknerwe want a *constituent relations management (CRM)16:10
jelknerthe only one of those that looks for real is civicrm16:10
jelknerbut i'm glad he brought this up16:10
jelkneri want to move forward ASAP with reaching out to the CiviCRM community16:11
jelkneri've already started lurking on the irc channel16:11
replaceafilljelkner, it's like what i said a few weeks ago, civi is a "monster"16:11
replaceafilljelkner, and it seems like they want something lightweight16:11
jelknerwe don't16:12
jelkneri mean, of course we like as lightweight as possible16:12
jelknerbut we want to go up against action network and nation builder16:12
jelknerwe ain't gonna do that with some custom lightweight thing16:12
replaceafilljelkner, it may have to be with user friendliness too16:15
replaceafilljelkner, anyway, i guess we're sold16:16
replaceafilljelkner, i know i am :)16:16
replaceafilljelkner, but i can't say i evaluated many alternatives ;)16:16
jelknerwe can't afford to screw around16:16
jelknerwhat alternatives?16:16
jelknera few years back we looked at some python ones16:16
replaceafilljelkner, like Ben said "open source alternatives"16:16
replaceafill""Can you share what evaluation of open source CRM tools you've done?"16:17
mr_germanjelkner, I am working on labor4ourrev but, I have a few questions :$16:17
jelknerin addition to investigation pointed to CiviCRM as the only *constituent* relations management software in the the free software space16:17
jelknerthe fact that FSF and Creative Commons both use it is compelling16:18
jelkneri think the only thing we are missing to make the final leap is some ties with the community16:18
jelknerwe should start with
jelknerI was thinking ubuntourist would want to take the lead on that16:19
jelknerbut he hasn't done it16:19
jelknerso i will now16:19
jelknerACTION goes to email sanjay16:19
replaceafillmr_german, you should just shoot your questions :)16:20
mr_germanjelkner, I've created a button called "about us", and also I've put the info the rand said.16:23
mr_germanjelkner, but, I don't know if that's all for now?16:23
jelknerhe really wants to know if Facebook posts can show up on the home page16:24
jelknerhe is looking for a kind of poor man's CMS16:24
jelknersince if we could set that up, he could update the website by just posting to Facebook16:25
jelkneryou should ask replaceafill about that16:25
replaceafillmr_german, you already know how to do that16:25
jelknerreplaceafill, just got off the phone with AGH Strategies16:26
replaceafillmr_german, it's the same set of "plugins" you used for the rotary club16:26
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh16:26
jelknera delightful woman answered the phone16:26
mr_germanI got it16:26
jelknersee what you can do with that, mr_german16:26
jelknerwhen i told her briefly what we wanted to do, she said we should get in touch with their "principle", Andrew Hunt16:27
jelknerI said I would put him in touch with our "principle", Douglas Cerna16:28
replaceafilljelkner, it thought it was "principal"16:28
mr_germank jelkner 16:28
jelkneri think your right16:28
jelkneri can't spell16:28
jelknerthe one in a school is principal16:28
jelknerwe learned that since the principal is your "pal", you can remember that16:28
replaceafilljelkner, Sanjay still works with AGH, correct?16:29
jelknershe said yes, but now and then16:30
jelknerso we should really communicate directly with Andrew16:30
jelknerconfirmed, it's Principal ;-)16:30
replaceafilljelkner, your point keeps confirming "I didn’t seek out data management"16:32
jelknerperhaps, but it came looking for you!16:32
jelknernow let me send this email16:32
replaceafillACTION shuts his keys16:33
jelkneremail sent16:49
mr_germanreplaceafill, it should be full width16:57
mr_germanbecause I can put it on the sidebar16:57
replaceafillmr_german, it's tricky indeed16:58
replaceafillmr_german, i don't know how much control you have on the facebook layout16:58
mr_germanreplaceafill, let me end this, and then i'll show you16:59
replaceafillmr_german, as far as i understand the posts should be the "main" content16:59
replaceafillmr_german, kk16:59
mr_germanreplaceafill, i'll restart my pc17:17
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mr_germanim back17:19
mr_germanreplaceafill, mmm17:31
mr_germanreplaceafill, max width for every plugin is 500px17:33
replaceafillmr_german, even if you modify the data-... attribute in the page?17:35
mr_germanit doesn't work either17:35
mr_germanreplaceafill, im trying to find the way to make it full width17:36
mr_germanif I use "data-width="100%" the plugin disappear17:38
replaceafillmr_german, i think that has to be an integer17:39
replaceafillmr_german, not a css unit17:39
replaceafillmr_german, if i understand correctly, the plugin renders in an iframe element, correct?17:44
mr_germanreplaceafill, q17:55
mr_germanyou're right17:55
mr_germanreplaceafill, there are two ways to use the plugin17:56
mr_germanvia iFrame17:56
mr_germanor Java & html17:56
mr_german"SDK JAVASCRIPT"17:57
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replaceafillmr_german, if it's loaded via an iframe there's not much you can do18:18
mr_germani know18:18
mr_germanthat's why i'm using SDK javascript18:19
replaceafillmr_german, what's the sdk javascript?18:19
replaceafillmr_german, url?18:19
mr_germanwhen you click "get code"18:21
replaceafillmr_german, that's the iframe i mentioned18:21
mr_germanI'm using metod "sdk java"18:21
replaceafillmr_german, i don't know what you mean by "sdk java"?18:22
replaceafillmr_german, i still don't understand...18:25
mr_germanreplaceafill, I am not using iFrame18:26
replaceafillmr_german, yes.. that'll load an iframe18:27
replaceafillmr_german, render the page and inspect its elements18:27
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louisea!remind Update on loan application process18:57
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louisea!remind update on news from potential clients/upcoming projects18:59
Big_BrotherBriefly discuss
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jelknertake away, louisea!19:00
louiseaHello everyone!19:00
louiseanice to see you again this week19:00
ubuntouristACTION tips his hat19:01
louiseaSo, let's jump in. Shall we start with the first two topics that Big_Brother has reminded us of?19:01
jelkneri'll be real brief19:01
jelkneras we prepare to offer civicrm support19:01
jelknerand are reaching out to other coops, one of them asked what kind of crm investigation we had done19:02
jelknerso i'm sharing that link19:02
jelknerwe haven't tried out other crm systems19:03
jelknerbut everything i've read indicates to me that civicrm is the only thing that is remotely close to what we are trying to do19:03
jelknermost crm are for businesses19:03
jelknernot political organizations19:03
jelkneranyway, i think replaceafill will confirm this assesment19:04
jelknerand we started directly reaching out to the civicrm community today19:04
jelknerwe need to make friends there19:04
jelknerso i'll continue to focus on that19:04
jelknerok, i'm done19:04
louiseawhen you say the civicrm community are you referring to ACH or something like that?19:04
louiseaI forget the acronym19:05
jelknerthat is just one local business that does civicrm support19:05
jelknerbut civi has a global community19:05
jelknerand a core group of developers19:05
ubuntouristAndrew G Hunt, CEO of AGH19:05
jelkneri've set my hexchat to have me join #civicrm whenever i start19:06
jelknerso i'll lurk there for awhile19:06
jelknerand then speak up and introduce myself at some point19:06
louiseajust out of curiosity, when you say you're reaching out to the CiviCRM community specifically AGH or is it the core group of developers for Civi?19:07
ubuntouristQuoting Wikipedia "It [CiviCRM] is specifically designed for the needs of non-profit, non-governmental, and advocacy groups..." Hence a good fit.19:07
jelknerreplaceafill, can you address the 2nd item?19:09
jelkneri want to respond to our friends in boston (the agaric coop)19:09
jelknerbut i don't know how to show them our user stories19:09
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louiseadeja vu...19:09
jelkneri dropped19:09
jelknerwhat did ya'll miss?19:10
replaceafillin my opinion we need a way to organize ourselves19:10
replaceafillthat's why i choose gitlab19:10
replaceafillbecause it allows you to have private groups/repos19:10
replaceafill(for free)19:10
replaceafillsharing those were never my goal19:10
jelknerbut if we want real collaboration with "customers" like amity and rand19:11
jelknerthey will need access19:11
jelkner(or whomever wants to act as customer)19:12
jelknerso we can get them a gitlab account19:12
replaceafillyou're are the proxy for me19:12
replaceafillyou can take their input and convert it for us?19:12
jelkneri can do that19:13
replaceafilli usually work best when i'm shielded from users :D19:13
replaceafilli mean19:13
replaceafillit's not like i don't want to know anything about them19:13
replaceafillbut sometimes it's good to first "digest" their request19:13
replaceafillbefore converting that into actions19:13
jelknerwe worked that way with SchoolTool, so i'm ok with that19:14
jelknerdwelsh and i acted as proxies for the other teachers19:14
jelknerACTION notes to self, replaceafill doesn't like talking to teacher ;-)19:14
jelknerok, move on19:15
ubuntouristjelkner, so that's why he talks to you? ;-)19:15
louiseaokay great, next point, which will be quick, is the update on the loan application progress19:15
louiseawe have put in a loan to Local Enterprise Assistance Fund for $40,00019:16
louiseajelkner is in communication with Rand Wilson who sits on the board and encouraged us to put in the application19:16
louiseaso that is hopeful19:16
louiseaso now we wait to hear back19:17
jelknerACTION crosses his fingers and toes19:17
louiseajelkner: anything to add?19:17
jelknerRena_, how is your php?19:18
Rena_not great19:18
Rena_My brother works a lot with it so I have a way to learn19:18
jelknerwell if we are successfull in what we are trying to do, there will be *a lot* of work in civicrm for us19:18
jelknermore than we could currently handle19:19
Rena_keep me posted how its going and I'll learn whats needed19:19
jelknermr_german will be doing that too19:19
jelknerand z0nny next year with me19:20
jelknerwhat else, louisea?19:20
zOnnycool :)19:20
louiseathe final point is in regards to any news from potential clients/upcoming projects19:20
louiseaI'll mention that19:21
louiseaI have reached out to ICA-group (International Cooperative Alliance  I think)19:21
louiseaasking for assistance with developing a formal business plan19:21
louiseawhich we will need when we reach out to the world19:21
Rena_btw is still down 19:22
louisea*as we reach out to the world19:22
louiseaRena_: let's chat afterwards19:22
ubuntouristI'll hunt through earlier e-mails, but I seem to remember sending out links to tech co-op organizing resources...19:22
louiseaRena_ can I give you a call?19:23
louiseaubuntourist: thanks19:23
jelknerncerna, we have a logo for you to convert to svg19:23
Rena_I have dinner (right now) can we call at 8?19:24
replaceafilljelkner, it's nrcerna, with an "r" :)19:24
nrcernaok i will do it =)19:24
louiseaRena_ I can't do 819:24
jelknermy bad19:24
jelknernrcerna, did mr_german tell you about that?19:24
louiseaRena_ scratch that. I'll call then19:24
Rena_ok, just call then, I can wait a couple minutes more before getting food19:24
nrcernanot yet19:25
nrcernajelkner, 19:25
louiseaRena_ lol okay, 7:30 is much better for me, it'll be quick19:25
louiseaAlright, well is that for group discussion?19:25
jelknerit will be once you ...19:25
louisea*drops the bag of gravel19:26
louiseamessed it up19:26
jelknerok everyone19:26
replaceafillthanks everybody19:26
jelkneri will be visiting nj next week19:26
jelknerso i'll miss the meeting19:26
replaceafillmr_german, could you update nrcerna on the svg situation?19:26
nrcernamr_german, hangouts?19:26
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok19:27
replaceafilljelkner, we'll need to talk about Rand's facebook request19:27
jelkneri'll be with my 102 year old grandma19:27
jelkneri'm shoot19:27
jelkneri mean, shoot19:27
replaceafillmr_german, want to take it?19:27
replaceafillmr_german, is there any problem?19:28
replaceafillmr_german, are you here?19:29
jelknermjsir911, z0nny, ubuntourist just confirmed 9:30 am on saturday at gallaudet19:29
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replaceafillmr_german, ping19:30
mr_germanim back19:30
mr_germanI lost my connection19:31
replaceafillmr_german, can you describe the facebook situation for the labor page?19:31
mr_germanoh yeah19:31
replaceafillmr_german, is there any problem with the design?19:31
mr_germanthe problem is facebook doesn't allow you to change the width of the plugin19:32
mr_german500px as maximum19:32
jelknercan you design around that limitation?19:32
jelknerput it somewhere where 500px looks good19:33
jelknerand use the rest of the space for other things?19:33
replaceafilljelkner, posts can't be the "main" content, but they could be used in a sidebar or something19:33
replaceafillmr_german, makes sense?19:33
jelknerrand just wants something dynamic happening on the front page19:33
jelknerso that it isn't the same all the time19:33
jelknerso that people will visit it19:33
jelknerhe was asking me about whether he could update things himself19:34
mr_germanin that case, I can put   it on the sidebar19:34
jelkneri told him that requires a cms19:34
jelknerso not now19:34
replaceafilljelkner, makes sense19:34
replaceafillmr_german, you can continue now, yes?19:35
jelknerz0nny, mjsir911, can you please confirm you saw my message about saturday?19:35
mr_germanreplaceafill, yep19:36
mjsir911I can confirm19:36
replaceafilljelkner, mr_german thanks, i'm done19:36
jelknerlater gaters19:36
replaceafillnrcerna, get in touch with mr_german for the logo19:36
replaceafillnrcerna, ok?19:36
jelknerz0nny, we will be asking you for a ride again19:36
nrcernaok replaceafill 19:36
replaceafillnrcerna, thanks!19:36
jelknerreplaceafill, can we do a brief hangout afterward to talk team guanaco finances?19:37
replaceafilljelkner, sure19:37
jelknerACTION signs off19:38
zOnnyno problem jelkner, you don't need ask for ride.19:38
mr_germanACTION done19:38
jelkneroh, z0nny, before i go, remind me to talk to you tomorrow morning about aspect ratio19:38
jelkneri'll remember19:39
replaceafilljelkner, read19:39
mr_germancya tomorrow replaceafill 19:40
replaceafilllater mr_german19:40
nrcernasee you guys19:42
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