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| jelkner | Good morning hrodriguez and zOnny | 10:54 |
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| hrodriguez | good morning jelkner | 10:54 |
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| jelkner | good morning, replaceafill | 10:56 |
| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 10:56 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Good Morning | 10:56 |
| jelkner | i see you have your electricity back | 10:56 |
| jelkner | i just sent an email to mr_german | 10:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 10:57 |
| jelkner | did i do right? | 10:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah yes, just saw it | 10:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 10:57 |
| jelkner | ping, replaceafill | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just a sec, finishing a reply to Louie | 11:07 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, done | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 11:14 |
| jelkner | just sent email | 11:14 |
| jelkner | i started testing lelkneralfaro's documentation | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i'm of the opinion that we should have some kind of regularly scheduled meeting | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i don't know how often (monthly? biweekly?) | 11:15 |
| jelkner | but not having a meeting at all anymore makes it a bit more difficult to "check-in" with each other. | 11:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:16 |
| jelkner | anyway, i can go with the majority without problem, but i wanted to have a vote | 11:16 |
| jelkner | so i thought this was a good use of the tool | 11:16 |
| jelkner | we need a "members" group | 11:17 |
| jelkner | so the 6 voting members can conduct business through our platform | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's Editors at the moment | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you want a separate one? | 11:17 |
| jelkner | editors is a bad name | 11:17 |
| jelkner | mr_german is and Editor, no? | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nope | 11:17 |
| jelkner | but he is not at present a voting member | 11:17 |
| jelkner | he should be | 11:18 |
| jelkner | (and Editor, i mean) | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hold on | 11:18 |
| jelkner | names are important | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/15 | 11:18 |
| jelkner | in what sense is "Editors" a good name for "Members"? | 11:18 |
| jelkner | fine, replaceafill all member / owners should be able to edit our website | 11:19 |
| jelkner | but not only member / owners | 11:19 |
| jelkner | mr_german is a perfect case in point | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure, but we agreed on all of us deciding who | 11:19 |
| jelkner | he is one of our three tendenci developers | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i understand what you mean | 11:20 |
| jelkner | but he has not yet chosen to become a member | 11:20 |
| jelkner | so he can edit, but not vote | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, my point is we have no rules to any of this | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and we should have | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | them | 11:20 |
| jelkner | we need to make them up as we go, my dear friend | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, don't you think? | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well | 11:21 |
| jelkner | since we don't have enough experience to write them up ahead of time | 11:21 |
| jelkner | one this is clear and easy | 11:21 |
| jelkner | only members vote | 11:21 |
| jelkner | that's easy because it goes to the core of what it means to be a member in a democratic organization | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, why does an intern need editor permission? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we don't really know yet what it means to be an intern | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or a candidate regarding mr_german | 11:22 |
| jelkner | that part is much less clear to me | 11:22 |
| jelkner | and i like figuring this out through practice | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and i agree | 11:23 |
| jelkner | and by consulting with other coops about their best practices | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you need mr_german to have edit permissions *now*? | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if you do need that, my question is why? | 11:23 |
| jelkner | one reason i'm so keen on union membership is that interns can be part of the union well before they are members | 11:23 |
| jelkner | if i need to do what, i'm confused? | 11:24 |
| jelkner | oh, give mr_german edit permissions? | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok, let me write it in a clearer way | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i want to know the practical part | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, functional, whatever | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because it may mean a lack on one of our processes | 11:24 |
| jelkner | we don't, my friend, but that isn't the point | 11:25 |
| jelkner | maybe i'm confusing things | 11:25 |
| jelkner | whether we give mr_german edit permissions or not | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we started from Editors is a bad name, and i agree | 11:25 |
| jelkner | and i'm in favor of letting interns participate in discussions | 11:25 |
| jelkner | on forums and such | 11:25 |
| jelkner | just not vote | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the reason i didn't call it Members was because we haven't set up membership in our instance | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, they can! | 11:26 |
| jelkner | ahh, the truth comes out | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we can create users for them | 11:26 |
| jelkner | we need membership in our instance | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i would say | 11:26 |
| jelkner | since when i create a vote, i want to assign it to Members ;-) | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you don't need memberships to do that... | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you just need a "group" | 11:26 |
| jelkner | let's do this | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i've sent an email which i believe lays out my concern clearly | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i'm not the only one who will have this concern with the instructions as they are written | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i think i've done my job as tester | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i will await you and lelkneralfaro's considered response | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and then test again ;-) | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you're a special kind of tester my friend | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you want to use some features | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but you don't want to learn some | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no disrespect | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, like groups | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you could create one group *now* | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that would solve your problem | 11:29 |
| jelkner | and i will, my friend, when the documentation is written in a user friendly way on how to do that! | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i am not trying to be obstinate | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/add-group-fields-t5/ | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i'm just trying to hold us as closely at possible to tom hoffman's standards | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not sure how user friendly is that :D | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't know | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's difficult for me | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's like that case you mentioned once | 11:30 |
| jelkner | you will remember how i used to sing the praises of joy each year when i read the schooltool book | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, about me not knowing how to learn or something like that | 11:30 |
| jelkner | i know good documentation when i see it | 11:30 |
| jelkner | tom's was the best | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh hold on | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i don't think we can reach that standard, but we need to aim for it | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you free to be dragged to this? | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | :D | 11:31 |
| jelkner | whenever there is something in a step-by-step proceedure you want me to do | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think zOnny could add a group to tendenci | 11:31 |
| jelkner | that takes me out of the "recipe" | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not because he read the docs | 11:31 |
| jelkner | you need to take me there! | 11:31 |
| jelkner | don't make me go search for where that other process is | 11:32 |
| jelkner | that's what hypertext is for! | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's because he's been exposed to the platform enough to *guess* how to do it | 11:32 |
| jelkner | exactly | 11:32 |
| jelkner | he? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | hold on, i'm confused again | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :)) | 11:32 |
| jelkner | he, tom, or he, louie | 11:32 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, i think zOnny could add a group to tendenci not because he read the docs it's because he's been exposed to the platform enough to *guess* how to do it | 11:33 |
| jelkner | but we don't want that assumption in our docs! | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, he knows the UI patterns by this point | 11:33 |
| jelkner | that's why we are testing | 11:33 |
| jelkner | we should assume nothing but basic literacy and good intentions. | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you can't, that's my point | 11:34 |
| jelkner | you can, that's my point | 11:34 |
| jelkner | tom showed us you can | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | :D | 11:34 |
| jelkner | the schooltool book met that standard | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you were a schooltool *poweruser* | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because you used it frequently | 11:34 |
| jelkner | i'm an idiot, replaceafill | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so am i | 11:34 |
| jelkner | not really a poweruser of anything | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i think you're misrpresenting it | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you were with schooltool | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, anyway | 11:35 |
| jelkner | you have to realize, setting up ST was something i did once a year | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i support your approach | 11:35 |
| jelkner | i completely forgot from year to year | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but for our customers | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not for us | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we should be powerusers | 11:35 |
| jelkner | that's why i loved reading the ST book | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it was a refresher, not a source of knowledget | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you knew already the UI | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you knew the patterns | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you knew the pencil icon | 11:36 |
| jelkner | since we seem to be talking across each other here | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yeah | 11:36 |
| jelkner | i'll do what i always do when i think i'm right on something like this | 11:36 |
| jelkner | wait for our customers to decide | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :) | 11:36 |
| jelkner | since in the end, it is they who will | 11:36 |
| jelkner | so i've raised my concern | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm probably not the person you should have these conversations with | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:37 |
| jelkner | you and lelkneralfaro can do with it as you see fit | 11:37 |
| jelkner | and when lelkneralfaro and the rest of us start using these docs with customers | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | or you ena lelkneralfaro ;) | 11:37 |
| jelkner | their feedback will determine what needs to be done | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or you and lelkneralfaro can do with it as you see feet | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | fit* | 11:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this is not deploying instances or supporting developers | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this is end user related matters | 11:38 |
| jelkner | fair enough | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, maybe i'm not the right person for feedback | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :) | 11:38 |
| jelkner | this is a conversation i should be having with lelkneralfaro, not you ;-) | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | :P | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | ACTION se lava las manos! | 11:38 |
| jelkner | so let's move on | 11:38 |
| jelkner | we have work to do | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:38 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, are you here? | 11:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes | 11:39 |
| jelkner | this may be a good time to point you to the SchoolTool Book | 11:39 |
| jelkner | http://www.schooltool.org/ | 11:40 |
| jelkner | tom hoffman was the project manager for SchoolTool | 11:40 |
| jelkner | with whom replaceafill worked for 5 years | 11:40 |
| jelkner | was it 5, replaceafill? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | aelkner worked for him too | 11:40 |
| jelkner | he is a friend of ours who lives in providence, rhode island | 11:40 |
| jelkner | while i don't think he would object to my saying he was not the best marketer in the world ;-) | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, 8 years | 11:41 |
| jelkner | wow | 11:41 |
| jelkner | 8 | 11:41 |
| jelkner | he was an English teacher by trade | 11:41 |
| jelkner | and he wrote what i consider to be some of the best technical documentation i've seen | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i was annually filled with joy each year when i had to configure SchoolTool | 11:42 |
| jelkner | a large and complex system | 11:42 |
| jelkner | for my own school | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i *hate* doing that kind of thing | 11:42 |
| jelkner | but the schooltool book made it so painless that i was overcome with joy | 11:43 |
| jelkner | i sent an annual "song of praise" to tom after the process | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, any specific reason for the painless part? | 11:43 |
| jelkner | yes, replaceafill | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | sorry to get in the middle, just curious | 11:43 |
| jelkner | it does exactly what i said to you a few minutes ago | 11:44 |
| jelkner | it provides a step-by-step process to do the setup | 11:44 |
| jelkner | the process is complex, and there are myriad branches depending on your particular situation | 11:44 |
| jelkner | the book "takes you to" each branch, and makes it easy to get back | 11:45 |
| jelkner | that is the genius of hypertext | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | sphinx showing off | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 11:46 |
| jelkner | don't tell me (May Need to Create Group), and then make me have to open another tab, point back to the same website and search for "Groups" | 11:46 |
| jelkner | take me to group then and there! | 11:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm looking back at the logs, what's the issue? If their should be documentation for how to create a group? | 11:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes I think that would be best | 11:46 |
| jelkner | exactly | 11:46 |
| jelkner | i started to setup an election | 11:46 |
| jelkner | i got to step 5 | 11:47 |
| jelkner | and then i was stuck | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, and it's possibly a showstopper for ayone who wants to put in almost no effort | 11:47 |
| jelkner | i'm sorry, lelkneralfaro, but this is where you can go seriously wrong | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I agree | 11:47 |
| jelkner | it is disrespectful to customers | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, no need to apologize | 11:47 |
| jelkner | and ultimately bad for business | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I wouldn't say that to a customer, there are probably many customers who want to put in no effort | 11:48 |
| jelkner | they are already putting in effort reading your docs | 11:48 |
| jelkner | you own it to them to make that experience positive | 11:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I think the group thing should be documented | 11:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 11:48 |
| jelkner | you want them to love you for your thoughtfulness and clarity | 11:48 |
| jelkner | i an not shy about being a pain in the ass on this | 11:49 |
| jelkner | when you point me at docs to test | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i'll start testing them | 11:49 |
| jelkner | when i get to a process not covered explicitly in the docs, i'll stop | 11:49 |
| jelkner | that's my job | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, if you insist. | 11:50 |
| jelkner | i'll report the problem and wait to hear back that it is fixed, so i can resume testing again | 11:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro how do we deal the fact that creating groups should be a tendenci "standard" doc? | 11:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro and that they have an maybe/maybe not outdated version | 11:50 |
| jelkner | good question, replaceafill | 11:50 |
| jelkner | if we are going to be successful | 11:51 |
| jelkner | our docs are going to be really important | 11:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner I thought about that as I was working on that, I was curious if there was a way to have tendenci adopt them | 11:51 |
| jelkner | if you think the upstream docs are good, can we just link to them? | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i don't know what the solution is, but i know that i should be able to read through the process step-by-step | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro that's why i suggested writing help-files instead of sphinx | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro but granted, having some control on the links would be nice | 11:52 |
| jelkner | do you two need anything else from me? | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro if we link the user to tendenci.com we lost that | 11:52 |
| jelkner | we lost what? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | i'm confused again :-( | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sorry | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i should just leave the channel :D | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | sorry | 11:53 |
| jelkner | what do you mean "we lost that", replaceafill? | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the ability you get with sphinx markup | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, where you can go back and forth in the documentation | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, even if we try to write our docs like the schooltool book | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if we point a user to tendenci.com for some "standard" functionality | 11:55 |
| jelkner | to be fair, replaceafill, our situation is different from ST | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, user may get lost navigating there | 11:55 |
| jelkner | which was a complete platform developed entirely in house | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 11:56 |
| jelkner | so i don't know what the best idea is | 11:56 |
| jelkner | but a simple link, saying "click here to find out how to setup groups" | 11:56 |
| jelkner | would be a HUGE improvement | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, got it | 11:56 |
| jelkner | and low hanging fruit, yes? | 11:56 |
| jelkner | that's all i'm saying | 11:56 |
| jelkner | i won't continue with the process until you tell me where to go | 11:57 |
| jelkner | a link is not too much to ask | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, would it be nonsense to do some tendenci.com docs evaluation? | 11:57 |
| jelkner | in other word, my rule of thumb for testing is | 11:57 |
| jelkner | you need to google, the docs are broke | 11:57 |
| jelkner | so if you provide links, i'm cool | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | :) | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, as far as tendenci docs evaluation goes I was thinking to evaluate them as needed as we create our own doc | 11:59 |
| jelkner | we need to evaluate the tendenci.com docs, replaceafill | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i mean, suppose we send jelkner here: https://www.tendenci.com/help-files/add-group-fields-t5/ | 11:59 |
| jelkner | if we are going to link to them, they need to work | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, first thing he sees is: To add a new User group, hover over the "People" tab and click the plus sign next to Groups. | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that doesn't exist anymore | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so we consider that one "old" and we create our own? | 12:00 |
| jelkner | while it can become overwhelming | 12:00 |
| jelkner | and we are small and under staffed | 12:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's like investing on that, right? | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yeah I'd create our own | 12:00 |
| jelkner | we need to write our own in the core areas of our product | 12:00 |
| jelkner | that's what we will be marking | 12:00 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, +1 | 12:01 |
| jelkner | we are nova webdevelopment, and we have a product to... | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, are we allowed to take the rest of the correct information from their doc? | 12:01 |
| jelkner | yes, lelkneralfaro | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i think so, yes | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and again, if we have help-files | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and they're good | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, there's a possibility the reuse them | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, since they can moved from database to database | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | sorry, there's a possibility tendenci.com reuse them | 12:02 |
| jelkner | ok, my friends, i have much to do | 12:02 |
| jelkner | are you finished with me for now? | 12:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner +1 | 12:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, one thing | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i'll be waiting to resume testing | 12:02 |
| jelkner | on voting docs | 12:02 |
| jelkner | as soon as you give me the word | 12:03 |
| jelkner | shoot, lelkneralfaro | 12:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, that's is i just wanted to know if you wanted to wait until I get to it rather than get whatever ball rolling you wanted to roll | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i'll wait | 12:04 |
| jelkner | the docs are so important | 12:04 |
| jelkner | my rule of thumb is i don't move forward until the docs take me there | 12:04 |
| jelkner | otherwise, we will never get the docs right | 12:04 |
| jelkner | its like software | 12:04 |
| jelkner | you run them | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, ok | 12:04 |
| jelkner | when they break | 12:04 |
| jelkner | you stop until they are debugged | 12:05 |
| jelkner | then you run them again | 12:05 |
| jelkner | and my OCD comes in handy here, lelkneralfaro | 12:05 |
| jelkner | since i will literally "run them again" | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i start over at the beginning each time | 12:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well from your perspective I think it generally comes in handy | 12:06 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | :D | 12:06 |
| jelkner | y'all will be grateful when customers start praising us for our docs! ;-) | 12:06 |
| jelkner | ok, great working with on this, i'm going to work on other tasks now | 12:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I agree, but I will remember thinking still, jelkner could have figured it out that time | 12:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, :) ttyl | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, have you contacted Luisa on the NEA4OR data she needs? | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'm not being pushy | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just wanted to point you here (regarding the same topic): https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/issues/724 | 12:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I sent the email two days ago, still not reply yet. I don't want to pester her | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sure | 12:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, but I might try to send another kind poke | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just think we should experiment with the model-report sometime | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and maybe the /explorer | 12:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 12:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I was thinking that when I was reaching out to her about what she needed | 12:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, that we don't have much experience with it that is... and that it would be good to come up with some test | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i mentioned that to Clayton | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, along the lines of | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, "i know there are good tools for reporting, i've seen them, but i don't understand them because we have really used them" | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | we have not really used them | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i remember that i liked the model report a lot | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but notice in that same github issue: | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | "As a note, that URL doesn't show up anywhere in our Reports menu! We would have never found this without this issue!" | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i remember i got there from exploring the source code | 12:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh I see, yes I'll take a look at them, on first look I felt that it would be a bit difficult given our lack of actual activity, but I'll investigate | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, thanks! | 12:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, no problem :) thank you! | 12:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ping | 12:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, pong | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, quick question | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, have you been able to vote on elections you have set yourself? | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or have you tried? | 12:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yup. I've created a number of elections that I was the only person who voted | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah ok, thanks! | 12:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, np | 12:45 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: | 12:55 |
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| zOnny | replaceafill: are you around ? | 12:58 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 12:58 |
| zOnny | I pushed some changes yesterday on ora_dev but | 12:59 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: https://ourrevolutionarlington.novawebdevelopment.org/ it didn't load | 13:01 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/commits/ora_dev | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, according to https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/-/jobs/84459880 it did | 13:02 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, give me a moment and i'll check | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, landed in a different theme: https://ourrevolutionarlington.novawebdevelopment.org/themes/ora/media/css/custom.css | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sorry, that server is a mess | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i may have done "set_theme nova" at some point | 13:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah yes, it was when we were testing the threaded posts | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what's your plan for the ora theme? | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, is this a specific request you're handling? | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i can set some time to fix the testing server today or tomorrow | 13:11 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: no rush | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, kk | 13:12 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I was fixing the forums user-post on devices | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'll try to get to it ASAP | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we don't have docs on threaded posts, do we? | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german looking for threaded posts docs, i remembered this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10PuZK8sL4NgIkDrDvVxeBkkMVzOdaXhP3Pwn6iJsfS8/edit | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german let me know if you'd be interested on following that | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mr_german it's about adding comments to our pages | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, have you set up threaded posts in any of your instances? | 13:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i can't find any docs on it | 13:17 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: not yet | 13:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok, maybe that means we don't have any docs :D | 13:17 |
| zOnny | I will test it | 13:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, test what? | 13:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, comments? | 13:18 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 13:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 13:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, how's your work queue? | 13:18 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Finishing the static site for CODEFORNOVA | 13:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh ok | 13:21 |
| zOnny | I am struggling with the gallery http://novaplays.org/photo-gallery/ | 13:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you get some time in your hands, let me know, there's plenty for you to do | 13:21 |
| zOnny | I will I am almost done | 13:21 |
| zOnny | I am testing it for Today's meeting | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, your images look distorted | 13:22 |
| zOnny | I will include the commet pages at 2:00pm | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, they're not squared | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but you're the designer ;) | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so i'll shut my mouth! | 13:23 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: this is done in WordPress | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, kk | 13:23 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, looks really good | 13:23 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am switching it with my code | 13:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok | 13:24 |
| zOnny | It does not have responsive | 13:24 |
| zOnny | I will send you the repo to show u how it was done with simple code | 13:26 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, we should add this for NEA/lFOR or it is just for a specific site? | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, hm? | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, add what? | 13:29 |
| mr_german | this "comment in the page" | 13:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, oh comments | 13:31 |
| mr_german | yep | 13:31 |
| mr_german | ¿? | 13:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's something all of our sites should have | 13:31 |
| mr_german | it will be necessary? | 13:32 |
| mr_german | oh | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's part of another story | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ora-ams/issues/23 | 13:32 |
| mr_german | so.. would you like to add this to our sites? | 13:32 |
| mr_german | oh | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, we would like to add this to tendenci | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it should be a separate package "blog" or something | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that enables all the functionality described in that ora-ams story | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, including comments | 13:33 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, you're working on this right now? | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no | 13:33 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, well, I can help you with that | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's why i was suggesting you or zOnny may be interested | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, how's your work queue? | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you have any pending tasks? | 13:34 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, nop | 13:35 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i'm free | 13:35 |
| mr_german | ;) | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i think we can distribute work here | 13:36 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, cool | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, since zOnny is willing to test the comments part | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you could take the /blog package Duncan worked on | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny those are separate features | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny at least at the moment | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://gitlab.com/duncan-small/Tendenci-Blog | 13:37 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, cool | 13:38 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i'll create my new instance | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 13:39 |
| mr_german | tendenci 7 right? | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 13:39 |
| mr_german | great | 13:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: should this app will be tested in a different Instance ? | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hm? | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what app? | 13:47 |
| zOnny | I was planning on testin it on _dev | 13:47 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Adding comments | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and by _dev you mean a theme branch? | 13:48 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm not sure i understand your question | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh you mean for the INTEGRATION section? | 13:49 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am assuming that themes _dev branches are for testing | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes, but we're not doing it that way | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, see | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, comments should be a separate feature | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, a separate app | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what Duncan did here was a hack | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, which is acceptable because we're only exploring | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, in a perfect world our base theme should have this enabled | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but we're not there yet | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so test this but don't push anything to any _dev branches | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can create your own personal branch of course | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you want to save/share your work | 13:52 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: using the same Instance Will not be a problem correct ? | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, no | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, as far as i know | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you want to be safe, you can create a separate one | 13:54 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: risk is better than safe :D | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, good luck | 13:54 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: joking man | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in 1h | 14:38 |
| jelkner | ACTION logs off to go to a meeting | 15:07 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i think i'll need your help. | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 16:10 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what's up? | 16:10 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i'm trying to run tendenci_blog but, it doesn't work | 16:11 |
| mr_german | can you help me with that and check? | 16:11 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, tracebacks are useful | 16:13 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, "it doesn't work" doesn't say much | 16:14 |
| mr_german | I don't know if i set it up correctly replaceafill | 16:14 |
| mr_german | so that's why i need your help | 16:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, paste your local_settings and local_urls | 16:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and do an "ls ." in your tendenci project and paste that too | 16:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EwF4U9OADjkezvh_MOgHTxpp-Rf6p4CLMEQqP2GauPo/edit | 16:16 |
| mr_german | mmm | 16:16 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, try to improve that document if you can | 16:17 |
| mr_german | sure | 16:17 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, should I clone the repo like the overrides? | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, any question you have or anything you don't understand | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's your responsability to add it to the doc | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | same for you zOnny | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny if you're assigned any task and we have docs for it | 16:22 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny make sure the docs work | 16:22 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://pastebin.com/5ZRXsWtk | 16:22 |
| mr_german | https://pastebin.com/SgrzTsDP | 16:22 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you get any errors? | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, try /blog | 16:23 |
| mr_german | yes | 16:24 |
| mr_german | "Oops admin, we caused a problem" | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, enable DEBUG=True | 16:24 |
| mr_german | oh, I have an issue | 16:25 |
| mr_german | i need to install "the comments" part | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what's the issue? | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, oh i see | 16:26 |
| replaceafill | {% load comments %} | 16:26 |
| mr_german | https://i.imgur.com/aqZyZWw.png | 16:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, get rid of that | 16:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, try to make it work witouth the comments | 16:26 |
| mr_german | ok | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you may need to get rid of line 75-76 | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i understand why Duncan put it ther | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | e | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, but we're not sold yet on what comments package to use | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's what zOnny will explore | 16:27 |
| mr_german | ok | 16:28 |
| mr_german | let me try | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, could you fork duncan's repo under the nova namespace | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and remove that | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, also set .gitignore to this: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/github/gitignore/master/Python.gitignore | 16:29 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/Tendenci-Blog | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, rename it to tendenci_blog | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, hold on | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yeah that works | 16:30 |
| mr_german | cool | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is usually torned between using - or _ | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, copy duncan's google doc to our projects -> tendenci shared directory | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and make the necessary adjustments | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok? | 16:31 |
| mr_german | ok | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, thanks | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, same for you please | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, copy Duncan's comments doc to our projects -> tendenci shared directory | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and adjust it as needed | 16:33 |
| mr_german | https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wA9zMA5p4lUk9HRxAqSVrhX22L-4AHAH | 16:33 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, forgot to change the repo | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and write it as our other tech docs | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, narrative speech | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, go to your project and clone this: .... | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny again guys this is document maintainance | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny nothing pretty, but something necessary | 16:35 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it works | 16:36 |
| mr_german | the blogs | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, afaik blog doesn't need to be included like that | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, in INSTALLED_APPS | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, neither in urls | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it doesn't override anything in tendenci | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, so including it last should work | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and should be the way we document it | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, don't forget to rename the repo | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's still Tendenci-Blog | 16:42 |
| mr_german | how can i do that? | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, advanced project settings | 16:43 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/Tendenci-Blog | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it should be tendenci-blog | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no sorry | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | tendenci_blog | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | ... | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, nice work on the group members help file | 16:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, thanks :) | 16:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, glad it's okay | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, no no no | 16:46 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it is tendenci_blog | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we need to hear for our docs tester ;) | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, :D | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | from* | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, +1 | 16:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, lol, I'm sure there will be something to be dissatisfied with ;) | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the screenshots in jelkner's issue are from him, correct? | 16:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | are his* | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | wow | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | my grammar today ;) | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, thanks, helped me realize another thing | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | commenting... | 16:47 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i'm working in the google doc | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 16:54 |
| mr_german | and then what should I do with the blog? | 16:54 |
| mr_german | make it to look good? | 16:54 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, first make sure it works | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, iirc it uses page categories | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, see if those categories work | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, then if it filters by month correctly, and so on | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, so add some pages | 16:56 |
| mr_german | oh ok | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i don't remember if it uses tags | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's not documented | 16:56 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, no | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, there should be at least a paragraph if it does | 16:56 |
| mr_german | it doesn't | 16:56 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, or about categories if it does | 16:56 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, im testing | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's the idea :) | 16:57 |
| mr_german | i'll continue later.. I hope to show you something | 16:57 |
| mr_german | tomorrow | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you don't need to make it look good | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it should reuse the theme | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i mean, the theme look | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool, thanks again | 16:58 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, np ;) and i got it | 16:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION done for the day | 17:01 |
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