IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2018-07-26

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jelknerGood morning hrodriguez and zOnny 10:54
hrodriguez good morning jelkner 10:54
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jelknergood morning, replaceafill 10:56
replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:56
zOnnyjelkner: Good Morning10:56
jelkneri see you have your electricity back10:56
jelkneri just sent an email to mr_german10:56
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:57
jelknerdid i do right?10:57
replaceafilljelkner, ah yes, just saw it10:57
replaceafilljelkner, yes10:57
jelknerping, replaceafill 11:07
replaceafilljelkner, just a sec, finishing a reply to Louie11:07
jelknerokie dokie11:07
replaceafilljelkner, done11:14
replaceafilljelkner, pong11:14
jelknerjust sent email11:14
jelkneri started testing lelkneralfaro's documentation11:15
jelkneri'm of the opinion that we should have some kind of regularly scheduled meeting11:15
jelkneri don't know how often (monthly? biweekly?)11:15
jelknerbut not having a meeting at all anymore makes it a bit more difficult to "check-in" with each other.11:16
replaceafilljelkner, +111:16
jelkneranyway, i can go with the majority without problem, but i wanted to have a vote11:16
jelknerso i thought this was a good use of the tool11:16
jelknerwe need a "members" group11:17
jelknerso the 6 voting members can conduct business through our platform11:17
replaceafilljelkner, that's Editors at the moment11:17
replaceafilljelkner, do you want a separate one?11:17
jelknereditors is a bad name11:17
jelknermr_german is and Editor, no?11:17
replaceafilljelkner, nope11:17
jelknerbut he is not at present a voting member11:17
jelknerhe should be11:18
jelkner(and Editor, i mean)11:18
replaceafilljelkner, hold on11:18
jelknernames are important11:18
jelknerin what sense is "Editors" a good name for "Members"?11:18
jelknerfine, replaceafill all member / owners should be able to edit our website11:19
jelknerbut not only member / owners11:19
jelknermr_german is a perfect case in point11:19
replaceafilljelkner, sure, but we agreed on all of us deciding who11:19
jelknerhe is one of our three tendenci developers11:20
replaceafilljelkner, i understand what you mean11:20
jelknerbut he has not yet chosen to become a member11:20
jelknerso he can edit, but not vote11:20
replaceafilljelkner, my point is we have no rules to any of this11:20
replaceafilljelkner, and we should have11:20
jelknerwe need to make them up as we go, my dear friend11:20
replaceafilljelkner, don't you think?11:20
replaceafilljelkner, ok11:21
replaceafilljelkner, well11:21
jelknersince we don't have enough experience to write them up ahead of time11:21
jelknerone this is clear and easy11:21
jelkneronly members vote11:21
jelknerthat's easy because it goes to the core of what it means to be a member in a democratic organization11:21
replaceafilljelkner, why does an intern need editor permission?11:22
jelknerwe don't really know yet what it means to be an intern11:22
replaceafilljelkner, or a candidate regarding mr_german11:22
jelknerthat part is much less clear to me11:22
jelknerand i like figuring this out through practice11:22
replaceafilljelkner, and i agree11:23
jelknerand by consulting with other coops about their best practices11:23
replaceafilljelkner, do you need mr_german to have edit permissions *now*?11:23
replaceafilljelkner, +111:23
replaceafilljelkner, if you do need that, my question is why?11:23
jelknerone reason i'm so keen on union membership is that interns can be part of the union well before they are members11:23
jelknerif i need to do what, i'm confused?11:24
jelkneroh, give mr_german edit permissions?11:24
replaceafilljelkner, ok, let me write it in a clearer way11:24
replaceafilljelkner, yes11:24
replaceafilljelkner, i want to know the practical part11:24
replaceafilljelkner, functional, whatever11:24
replaceafilljelkner, because it may mean a lack on one of our processes11:24
jelknerwe don't, my friend, but that isn't the point11:25
jelknermaybe i'm confusing things11:25
jelknerwhether we give mr_german edit permissions or not11:25
replaceafilljelkner, we started from Editors is a bad name, and i agree11:25
jelknerand i'm in favor of letting interns participate in discussions11:25
jelkneron forums and such11:25
jelknerjust not vote11:25
replaceafilljelkner, the reason i didn't call it Members was because we haven't set up membership in our instance11:26
replaceafilljelkner, they can!11:26
jelknerahh, the truth comes out11:26
replaceafilljelkner, we can create users for them11:26
jelknerwe need membership in our instance11:26
jelkneri would say11:26
jelknersince when i create a vote, i want to assign it to Members ;-)11:26
replaceafilljelkner, you don't need memberships to do that...11:26
replaceafilljelkner, you just need a "group"11:26
jelknerlet's do this11:27
jelkneri've sent an email which i believe lays out my concern clearly11:27
jelkneri'm not the only one who will have this concern with the instructions as they are written11:27
jelkneri think i've done my job as tester11:27
jelkneri will await you and lelkneralfaro's considered response11:28
jelknerand then test again ;-)11:28
replaceafilljelkner, you're a special kind of tester my friend11:28
replaceafilljelkner, you want to use some features11:28
replaceafilljelkner, but you don't want to learn some11:28
replaceafilljelkner, no disrespect11:28
replaceafilljelkner, like groups11:28
replaceafilljelkner, you could create one group *now*11:28
replaceafilljelkner, that would solve your problem11:29
jelknerand i will, my friend, when the documentation is written in a user friendly way on how to do that!11:29
jelkneri am not trying to be obstinate 11:29
jelkneri'm just trying to hold us as closely at possible to tom hoffman's standards11:30
replaceafilljelkner, i'm not sure how user friendly is that :D11:30
replaceafilljelkner, sure11:30
replaceafilljelkner, i don't know11:30
replaceafilljelkner, it's difficult for me11:30
replaceafilljelkner, it's like that case you mentioned once11:30
jelkneryou will remember how i used to sing the praises of joy each year when i read the schooltool book11:30
replaceafilljelkner, about me not knowing how to learn or something like that11:30
jelkneri know good documentation when i see it11:30
jelknertom's was the best11:30
replaceafilljelkner, oh hold on11:31
jelkneri don't think we can reach that standard, but we need to aim for it11:31
replaceafillzOnny, are you free to be dragged to this?11:31
jelknerwhenever there is something in a step-by-step proceedure you want me to do11:31
replaceafilljelkner, i think zOnny could add a group to tendenci11:31
jelknerthat takes me out of the "recipe"11:31
replaceafilljelkner, not because he read the docs11:31
jelkneryou need to take me there!11:31
jelknerdon't make me go search for where that other process is11:32
jelknerthat's what hypertext is for!11:32
replaceafilljelkner, it's because he's been exposed to the platform enough to *guess* how to do it11:32
jelknerhold on, i'm confused again11:32
replaceafilljelkner, :))11:32
jelknerhe, tom, or he, louie11:32
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replaceafilljelkner, i think zOnny could add a group to tendenci not because he read the docs it's because he's been exposed to the platform enough to *guess* how to do it11:33
jelknerbut we don't want that assumption in our docs!11:33
replaceafilljelkner, he knows the UI patterns by this point11:33
jelknerthat's why we are testing11:33
jelknerwe should assume nothing but basic literacy and good intentions.11:33
replaceafilljelkner, you can't, that's my point11:34
jelkneryou can, that's my point11:34
jelknertom showed us you can11:34
jelknerthe schooltool book met that standard11:34
replaceafilljelkner, you were a schooltool *poweruser*11:34
replaceafilljelkner, because you used it frequently11:34
jelkneri'm an idiot, replaceafill 11:34
replaceafilljelkner, so am i11:34
jelknernot really a poweruser of anything11:35
replaceafilljelkner, but i think you're misrpresenting it11:35
replaceafilljelkner, you were with schooltool11:35
replaceafilljelkner, anyway11:35
jelkneryou have to realize, setting up ST was something i did once a year11:35
replaceafilljelkner, i support your approach11:35
jelkneri completely forgot from year to year11:35
replaceafilljelkner, but for our customers11:35
replaceafilljelkner, not for us11:35
replaceafilljelkner, we should be powerusers11:35
jelknerthat's why i loved reading the ST book11:35
replaceafilljelkner, it was a refresher, not a source of knowledget11:35
replaceafilljelkner, you knew already the UI11:36
replaceafilljelkner, you knew the patterns11:36
replaceafilljelkner, you knew the pencil icon11:36
jelknersince we seem to be talking across each other here11:36
replaceafilljelkner, yeah11:36
jelkneri'll do what i always do when i think i'm right on something like this11:36
jelknerwait for our customers to decide11:36
replaceafilljelkner, :)11:36
jelknersince in the end, it is they who will11:36
jelknerso i've raised my concern11:37
replaceafilljelkner, i'm probably not the person you should have these conversations with11:37
replaceafilljelkner, +111:37
jelkneryou and lelkneralfaro can do with it as you see fit11:37
jelknerand when lelkneralfaro and the rest of us start using these docs with customers11:37
replaceafillor you ena lelkneralfaro ;)11:37
jelknertheir feedback will determine what needs to be done11:37
replaceafilljelkner, or you and lelkneralfaro can do with it as you see feet11:37
replaceafilljelkner, this is not deploying instances or supporting developers11:38
replaceafilljelkner, this is end user related matters11:38
jelknerfair enough11:38
replaceafilljelkner, maybe i'm not the right person for feedback11:38
replaceafilljelkner, :)11:38
jelknerthis is a conversation i should be having with lelkneralfaro, not you ;-)11:38
replaceafillACTION se lava las manos!11:38
jelknerso let's move on11:38
jelknerwe have work to do11:38
replaceafilljelkner, +111:38
jelknerlelkneralfaro, are you here?11:39
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes11:39
jelknerthis may be a good time to point you to the SchoolTool Book11:39
jelknertom hoffman was the project manager for SchoolTool11:40
jelknerwith whom replaceafill worked for 5 years11:40
jelknerwas it 5, replaceafill?11:40
jelkneraelkner worked for him too11:40
jelknerhe is a friend of ours who lives in providence, rhode island11:40
jelknerwhile i don't think he would object to my saying he was not the best marketer in the world ;-)11:41
replaceafilljelkner, 8 years11:41
jelknerhe was an English teacher by trade11:41
jelknerand he wrote what i consider to be some of the best technical documentation i've seen11:42
jelkneri was annually filled with joy each year when i had to configure SchoolTool11:42
jelknera large and complex system11:42
jelknerfor my own school11:42
jelkneri *hate* doing that kind of thing11:42
jelknerbut the schooltool book made it so painless that i was overcome with joy11:43
jelkneri sent an annual "song of praise" to tom after the process11:43
replaceafilljelkner, any specific reason for the painless part?11:43
jelkneryes, replaceafill 11:43
replaceafillsorry to get in the middle, just curious11:43
jelknerit does exactly what i said to you a few minutes ago11:44
jelknerit provides a step-by-step process to do the setup11:44
jelknerthe process is complex, and there are myriad branches depending on your particular situation11:44
jelknerthe book "takes you to" each branch, and makes it easy to get back11:45
jelknerthat is the genius of hypertext11:45
replaceafillsphinx showing off11:46
jelknerdon't tell me (May Need to Create Group), and then make me have to open another tab, point back to the same website and search for "Groups"11:46
jelknertake me to group then and there!11:46
lelkneralfarojelkner, I'm looking back at the logs, what's the issue? If their should be documentation for how to create a group? 11:46
lelkneralfarojelkner, yes I think that would be best11:46
jelkneri started to setup an election11:46
jelkneri got to step 511:47
jelknerand then i was stuck11:47
lelkneralfarojelkner, and it's possibly a showstopper for ayone who wants to put in almost no effort11:47
jelkneri'm sorry, lelkneralfaro, but this is where you can go seriously wrong11:47
lelkneralfarojelkner, I agree11:47
jelknerit is disrespectful to customers11:47
lelkneralfarojelkner, no need to apologize11:47
jelknerand ultimately bad for business11:47
lelkneralfarojelkner, I wouldn't say that to a customer, there are probably many customers who want to put in no effort11:48
jelknerthey are already putting in effort reading your docs11:48
jelkneryou own it to them to make that experience positive11:48
lelkneralfarojelkner, I think the group thing should be documented11:48
lelkneralfarojelkner, +111:48
jelkneryou want them to love you for your thoughtfulness and clarity11:48
jelkneri an not shy about being a pain in the ass on this11:49
jelknerwhen you point me at docs to test11:49
jelkneri'll start testing them11:49
jelknerwhen i get to a process not covered explicitly in the docs, i'll stop11:49
jelknerthat's my job11:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, if you insist. 11:50
jelkneri'll report the problem and wait to hear back that it is fixed, so i can resume testing again11:50
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro how do we deal the fact that creating groups should be a tendenci "standard" doc?11:50
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro and that they have an maybe/maybe not outdated version11:50
jelknergood question, replaceafill 11:50
jelknerif we are going to be successful11:51
jelknerour docs are going to be really important11:51
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, jelkner I thought about that as I was working on that, I was curious if there was a way to have tendenci adopt them11:51
jelknerif you think the upstream docs are good, can we just link to them?11:51
jelkneri don't know what the solution is, but i know that i should be able to read through the process step-by-step11:52
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro that's why i suggested writing help-files instead of sphinx11:52
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro but granted, having some control on the links would be nice11:52
jelknerdo you two need anything else from me?11:52
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro if we link the user to we lost that11:52
jelknerwe lost what?11:53
jelkneri'm confused again :-(11:53
replaceafilljelkner, sorry11:53
replaceafilljelkner, i should just leave the channel :D11:53
jelknerwhat do you mean "we lost that", replaceafill?11:54
replaceafilljelkner, the ability you get with sphinx markup11:54
replaceafilljelkner, where you can go back and forth in the documentation11:55
replaceafilljelkner, even if we try to write our docs like the schooltool book11:55
replaceafilljelkner, if we point a user to for some "standard" functionality11:55
jelknerto be fair, replaceafill, our situation is different from ST11:55
replaceafilljelkner, user may get lost navigating there11:55
jelknerwhich was a complete platform developed entirely in house11:55
replaceafilljelkner, right11:56
jelknerso i don't know what the best idea is11:56
jelknerbut a simple link, saying "click here to find out how to setup groups"11:56
jelknerwould be a HUGE improvement11:56
replaceafilljelkner, got it11:56
jelknerand low hanging fruit, yes?11:56
jelknerthat's all i'm saying11:56
jelkneri won't continue with the process until you tell me where to go11:57
jelknera link is not too much to ask11:57
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, would it be nonsense to do some docs evaluation?11:57
jelknerin other word, my rule of thumb for testing is11:57
jelkneryou need to google, the docs are broke11:57
jelknerso if you provide links, i'm cool11:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, as far as tendenci docs evaluation goes I was thinking to evaluate them as needed as we create our own doc11:59
jelknerwe need to evaluate the docs, replaceafill 11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i mean, suppose we send jelkner here:
jelknerif we are going to link to them, they need to work11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, first thing he sees is: To add a new User group, hover over the "People" tab and click the plus sign next to Groups.11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, that doesn't exist anymore11:59
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, so we consider that one "old" and we create our own?12:00
jelknerwhile it can become overwhelming12:00
jelknerand we are small and under staffed12:00
replaceafilljelkner, it's like investing on that, right?12:00
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yeah I'd create our own12:00
jelknerwe need to write our own in the core areas of our product12:00
jelknerthat's what we will be marking12:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, +112:01
jelknerwe are nova webdevelopment, and we have a product to...12:01
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, are we allowed to take the rest of the correct information from their doc?12:01
jelkneryes, lelkneralfaro 12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i think so, yes12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and again, if we have help-files12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and they're good12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, there's a possibility the reuse them12:01
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, since they can moved from database to database12:01
replaceafillsorry, there's a possibility reuse them12:02
jelknerok, my friends, i have much to do12:02
jelknerare you finished with me for now?12:02
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, jelkner +112:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, one thing12:02
jelkneri'll be waiting to resume testing12:02
jelkneron voting docs12:02
jelkneras soon as you give me the word12:03
jelknershoot, lelkneralfaro 12:03
lelkneralfarojelkner, that's is i just wanted to know if you wanted to wait until I get to it rather than get whatever ball rolling you wanted to roll12:03
jelkneri'll wait12:04
jelknerthe docs are so important12:04
jelknermy rule of thumb is i don't move forward until the docs take me there12:04
jelknerotherwise, we will never get the docs right12:04
jelknerits like software12:04
jelkneryou run them12:04
lelkneralfarojelkner, ok12:04
jelknerwhen they break12:04
jelkneryou stop until they are debugged12:05
jelknerthen you run them again12:05
jelknerand my OCD comes in handy here, lelkneralfaro 12:05
jelknersince i will literally "run them again"12:06
jelkneri start over at the beginning each time12:06
lelkneralfarojelkner, well from your perspective I think it generally comes in handy12:06
jelknery'all will be grateful when customers start praising us for our docs! ;-)12:06
jelknerok, great working with on this, i'm going to work on other tasks now12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, I agree, but I will remember thinking still, jelkner could have figured it out that time12:07
lelkneralfarojelkner, :) ttyl12:07
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, have you contacted Luisa on the NEA4OR data she needs?12:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'm not being pushy12:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i just wanted to point you here (regarding the same topic):
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I sent the email two days ago, still not reply yet. I don't want to pester her12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, sure12:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, but I might try to send another kind poke12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i just think we should experiment with the model-report sometime12:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and maybe the /explorer12:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +112:09
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I was thinking that when I was reaching out to her about what she needed12:10
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, that we don't have much experience with it that is... and that it would be good to come up with some test12:10
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i mentioned that to Clayton12:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, along the lines of12:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, "i know there are good tools for reporting, i've seen them, but i don't understand them because we have really used them"12:11
replaceafillwe have not really used them12:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i remember that i liked the model report a lot12:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but notice in that same github issue:12:12
replaceafill"As a note, that URL doesn't show up anywhere in our Reports menu! We would have never found this without this issue!"12:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i remember i got there from exploring the source code12:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ahh I see, yes I'll take a look at them, on first look I felt that it would be a bit difficult given our lack of actual activity, but I'll investigate12:14
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, thanks!12:15
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, no problem :) thank you! 12:15
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ping12:44
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, pong12:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, quick question12:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, have you been able to vote on elections you have set yourself?12:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, or have you tried?12:44
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yup. I've created a number of elections that I was the only person who voted12:44
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah ok, thanks!12:45
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, np12:45
zOnnyreplaceafill: 12:55
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zOnnyreplaceafill: are you around ?12:58
replaceafillzOnny, yes12:58
zOnnyI pushed some changes yesterday on ora_dev but12:59
zOnnyreplaceafill: it didn't load 13:01
replaceafillzOnny, according to it did13:02
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok13:03
replaceafillzOnny, give me a moment and i'll check13:05
replaceafillzOnny, ah13:07
replaceafillzOnny, landed in a different theme:
replaceafillzOnny, sorry, that server is a mess13:07
replaceafillzOnny, i may have done "set_theme nova" at some point13:08
replaceafillzOnny, ah yes, it was when we were testing the threaded posts13:09
replaceafillzOnny, what's your plan for the ora theme?13:11
replaceafillzOnny, is this a specific request you're handling?13:11
replaceafillzOnny, i can set some time to fix the testing server today or tomorrow13:11
zOnnyreplaceafill: no rush13:12
replaceafillzOnny, kk13:12
zOnnyreplaceafill: I was fixing the forums user-post on devices13:13
replaceafillzOnny, ah13:13
replaceafillzOnny, i'll try to get to it ASAP13:13
replaceafillzOnny, we don't have docs on threaded posts, do we?13:13
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german looking for threaded posts docs, i remembered this:
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german let me know if you'd be interested on following that13:16
replaceafillzOnny, mr_german it's about adding comments to our pages13:16
replaceafillzOnny, have you set up threaded posts in any of your instances?13:17
replaceafillzOnny, i can't find any docs on it13:17
zOnnyreplaceafill: not yet13:17
replaceafillzOnny, ok, maybe that means we don't have any docs :D13:17
zOnnyI will test it 13:17
replaceafillzOnny, test what?13:17
replaceafillzOnny, comments?13:18
zOnnyreplaceafill: correct13:18
replaceafillzOnny, cool13:18
replaceafillzOnny, how's your work queue?13:18
zOnnyreplaceafill: Finishing the static site for CODEFORNOVA  13:21
replaceafillzOnny, oh ok13:21
zOnnyI am struggling with the gallery
replaceafillzOnny, if you get some time in your hands, let me know, there's plenty for you to do13:21
zOnnyI will I am almost done13:21
zOnnyI am testing it for Today's meeting13:22
replaceafillzOnny, your images look distorted13:22
zOnnyI will include the commet pages at 2:00pm13:22
replaceafillzOnny, they're not squared13:22
replaceafillzOnny, but you're the designer ;)13:23
replaceafillzOnny, so i'll shut my mouth!13:23
zOnnyreplaceafill: this is done in WordPress13:23
replaceafillzOnny, kk13:23
mr_germanreplaceafill, looks really good13:23
zOnnyreplaceafill: I am switching it with my code13:24
replaceafillzOnny, ah ok13:24
zOnnyIt does not have responsive13:24
zOnnyI will send you the repo to show u how it was done with simple code13:26
mr_germanreplaceafill, we should add this for NEA/lFOR or it is just for a specific site?13:29
replaceafillmr_german, hm?13:29
replaceafillmr_german, add what?13:29
mr_germanthis "comment in the page"13:31
replaceafillmr_german, oh comments13:31
replaceafillmr_german, it's something all of our sites should have13:31
mr_germanit will be necessary?13:32
replaceafillmr_german, it's part of another story13:32
mr_germanso.. would you like to add this to our sites?13:32
replaceafillmr_german, we would like to add this to tendenci13:32
replaceafillmr_german, it should be a separate package "blog" or something13:33
replaceafillmr_german, that enables all the functionality described in that ora-ams story13:33
replaceafillmr_german, including comments13:33
mr_germanreplaceafill, you're working on this right now?13:33
replaceafillmr_german, no13:33
mr_germanreplaceafill, well, I can help you with that13:34
replaceafillmr_german, that's why i was suggesting you or zOnny may be interested13:34
replaceafillmr_german, how's your work queue?13:34
replaceafillmr_german, do you have any pending tasks?13:34
mr_germanreplaceafill, nop13:35
mr_germanreplaceafill, i'm free13:35
replaceafillmr_german, ok13:36
replaceafillmr_german, i think we can distribute work here13:36
mr_germanreplaceafill, cool13:36
replaceafillmr_german, since zOnny is willing to test the comments part13:37
replaceafillmr_german, you could take the /blog package Duncan worked on13:37
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny those are separate features13:37
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny at least at the moment13:37
mr_germanreplaceafill, cool13:38
mr_germanreplaceafill, i'll create my new instance13:39
replaceafillmr_german, cool13:39
mr_germantendenci 7 right?13:39
replaceafillmr_german, yes13:39
zOnnyreplaceafill: should this app will be tested in a different Instance ?13:47
replaceafillzOnny, hm?13:47
replaceafillzOnny, what app?13:47
zOnnyI was planning on testin it on _dev13:47
zOnnyreplaceafill: Adding comments 13:48
replaceafillzOnny, and by _dev you mean a theme branch?13:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: correct13:48
replaceafillzOnny, i'm not sure i understand your question13:48
replaceafillzOnny, oh you  mean for the INTEGRATION section?13:49
zOnnyreplaceafill: I am assuming that  themes  _dev branches are for testing 13:50
replaceafillzOnny, yes, but we're not doing it that way13:50
replaceafillzOnny, see13:50
replaceafillzOnny, comments should be a separate feature13:50
replaceafillzOnny, a separate app13:50
replaceafillzOnny, what Duncan did here was a hack13:51
replaceafillzOnny, which is acceptable because we're only exploring13:51
replaceafillzOnny, in a perfect world our base theme should have this enabled13:51
replaceafillzOnny, but we're not there yet13:51
replaceafillzOnny, so test this but don't push anything to any _dev branches13:52
replaceafillzOnny, you can create your own personal branch of course13:52
replaceafillzOnny, if you want to save/share your work13:52
zOnnyreplaceafill: using the same Instance Will not be a problem correct ?13:53
replaceafillzOnny, no13:53
replaceafillzOnny, as far as i know13:54
replaceafillzOnny, if you want to be safe, you can create a separate one13:54
zOnnyreplaceafill: risk is better than safe :D13:54
replaceafillzOnny, good luck13:54
zOnnyreplaceafill: joking man13:55
replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in 1h14:38
jelknerACTION logs off to go to a meeting15:07
mr_germanreplaceafill, i think i'll need your help.15:51
replaceafillACTION is back16:10
replaceafillmr_german, what's up?16:10
mr_germanreplaceafill, i'm trying to run tendenci_blog but, it doesn't work16:11
mr_germancan you help me with that and check?16:11
replaceafillmr_german, tracebacks are useful16:13
replaceafillmr_german, "it doesn't work" doesn't say much16:14
mr_germanI don't know if i set it up correctly replaceafill 16:14
mr_germanso that's why i need your help16:15
replaceafillmr_german, paste your local_settings and local_urls16:15
replaceafillmr_german, and do an "ls ." in your tendenci project and paste that too16:15
replaceafillmr_german, try to improve that document if you can16:17
mr_germanreplaceafill, should I clone the repo like the overrides?16:19
replaceafillmr_german, yes16:20
replaceafillmr_german, any question you have or anything you don't understand16:21
replaceafillmr_german, it's your responsability to add it to the doc16:21
replaceafillsame for you zOnny16:21
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny if you're assigned any task and we have docs for it16:22
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny make sure the docs work16:22
replaceafillmr_german, do you get any errors?16:23
replaceafillmr_german, try /blog16:23
mr_german"Oops admin, we caused a problem"16:24
replaceafillmr_german, enable DEBUG=True16:24
mr_germanoh, I have an issue 16:25
mr_germani need to install "the comments" part16:25
replaceafillmr_german, what's the issue?16:25
replaceafillmr_german, oh i see16:26
replaceafill{% load comments %}16:26
replaceafillmr_german, get rid of that16:26
replaceafillmr_german, try to make it work witouth the comments16:26
replaceafillmr_german, you may need to get rid of line 75-7616:27
replaceafillmr_german, i understand why Duncan put it ther16:27
replaceafillmr_german, but we're not sold yet on what comments package to use16:27
replaceafillmr_german, that's what zOnny will explore16:27
mr_germanlet me try16:28
replaceafillmr_german, could you fork duncan's repo under the nova namespace16:28
replaceafillmr_german, and remove that16:28
replaceafillmr_german, also set .gitignore to this:
replaceafillmr_german, rename it to tendenci_blog16:29
replaceafillmr_german, hold on16:30
replaceafillmr_german, yeah that works16:30
replaceafillACTION is usually torned between using - or _16:30
replaceafillmr_german, copy duncan's google doc to our projects -> tendenci shared directory16:31
replaceafillmr_german, and make the necessary adjustments16:31
replaceafillmr_german, ok?16:31
replaceafillmr_german, thanks16:32
replaceafillzOnny, same for you please16:32
replaceafillzOnny, copy Duncan's comments doc to our projects -> tendenci shared directory16:33
replaceafillzOnny, and adjust it as needed16:33
mr_germanreplaceafill, 16:33
replaceafillmr_german, forgot to change the repo16:34
replaceafillmr_german, and write it as our other tech docs16:34
replaceafillmr_german, narrative speech16:34
replaceafillmr_german, go to your project and clone this: ....16:34
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny again guys this is document maintainance16:35
replaceafillmr_german, zOnny nothing pretty, but something necessary16:35
mr_germanreplaceafill, it works16:36
mr_germanthe blogs16:36
replaceafillmr_german, cool16:36
replaceafillmr_german, afaik blog doesn't need to be included like that16:36
replaceafillmr_german, in INSTALLED_APPS16:36
replaceafillmr_german, neither in urls16:36
replaceafillmr_german, it doesn't override anything in tendenci16:37
replaceafillmr_german, so including it last should work16:37
replaceafillmr_german, and should be the way we document it16:37
replaceafillmr_german, don't forget to rename the repo16:42
replaceafillmr_german, it's still Tendenci-Blog16:42
mr_germanhow can i do that?16:43
replaceafillmr_german, advanced project settings16:43
replaceafillmr_german, it should be tendenci-blog16:44
replaceafillmr_german, no sorry16:45
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, nice work on the group members help file16:46
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thanks :)16:46
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, glad it's okay16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, no no no16:46
mr_germanreplaceafill, it is tendenci_blog16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, we need to hear for our docs tester ;)16:46
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, :D16:46
replaceafillmr_german, +116:47
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, lol, I'm sure there will be something to be dissatisfied with ;)16:47
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, the screenshots in jelkner's issue are from him, correct?16:47
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes16:47
replaceafillare his*16:47
replaceafillmy grammar today ;)16:47
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool, thanks, helped me realize another thing16:47
mr_germanreplaceafill, i'm working in the google doc16:54
replaceafillmr_german, cool16:54
mr_germanand then what should I do with the blog?16:54
mr_germanmake it to look good?16:54
replaceafillmr_german, first make sure it works16:55
replaceafillmr_german, iirc it uses page categories16:55
replaceafillmr_german, see if those categories work16:55
replaceafillmr_german, then if it filters by month correctly, and so on16:55
replaceafillmr_german, so add some pages16:56
mr_germanoh ok16:56
replaceafillmr_german, i don't remember if it uses tags16:56
replaceafillmr_german, that's not documented16:56
mr_germanreplaceafill, no16:56
replaceafillmr_german, there should be at least a paragraph if it does16:56
mr_germanit doesn't16:56
replaceafillmr_german, or about categories if it does16:56
mr_germanreplaceafill, im testing16:57
replaceafillmr_german, that's the idea :)16:57
mr_germani'll continue later.. I hope to show you something16:57
replaceafillmr_german, you don't need to make it look good16:57
replaceafillmr_german, it should reuse the theme16:57
replaceafillmr_german, i mean, the theme look16:57
replaceafillmr_german, cool, thanks again16:58
mr_germanreplaceafill, np ;) and i got it16:58
lelkneralfaroACTION done for the day17:01

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