IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2018-08-16

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jelknergood morning lelkneralfaro10:02
lelkneralfarojelkner, good morning10:03
jelknerreplaceafill had a breakthrough yesterday that will help us a lot10:03
jelknerhe was just explaining it to me10:03
jelknerhe is becoming a Django Wizzard, just what we need ;-)10:03
jelknerhe can now customize Helios without touching the base code10:04
jelknerhe was agonizing over weather or not we needed to fork Helios to fix some of our issues10:04
jelknernow we don't10:04
jelknerthat's big news10:05
jelknersprints are fun like this10:05
jelknerwhen you get major things accomplished10:05
lelkneralfarothat's great to hear :)10:09
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jelknerzOnny, good morning10:39
jelkneri think i found a bug10:39
jelkneri just created an event on ORA10:39
zOnnyjelkner: good morning10:39
jelkneri can't click on the first RSVP Now button10:40
jelknerthere are two10:40
jelknerdo we want two?10:40
jelknercan you please look at this now?10:40
jelknerto start your day10:40
jelkneri want to email the committee telling them i RSVPed from my phone10:41
jelknerbut first i need to do that ;-)10:41
jelknerreplaceafill found the bug10:41
replaceafillzOnny, do you have time to discuss this?10:42
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok10:43
replaceafillzOnny, hold on, taking screenshot10:43
replaceafillzOnny, it's the description element below which overlaps the RSVP button10:47
replaceafillzOnny, in the screenshot i'm hovering the description element and you can see how it highlights all that region10:47
replaceafillzOnny, if you delete that element you can click the button10:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok10:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: on it10:48
replaceafillzOnny, ty10:48
replaceafillzOnny, let me know if you need more work today10:48
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok10:48
replaceafillzOnny, and please fix these in all of our themes :)10:49
zOnnyreplaceafill: ok10:49
jelknerzOnny, please let me know when i can rsvp11:32
zOnnyjelkner: ok11:33
zOnnyjelkner: I mean is ready11:34
jelknerzOnny, thanks!11:34
jelkneri'll try it now11:34
zOnnyjelkner: reload it please :/11:34
jelknerwhile i do that, zOnny, could you please call Daniela and ask her to meet me here in irc?11:35
jelkneri texted her, but a phone call might help11:35
jelknerdoesn't work yet zOnny 11:36
jelknerreplacefill confirmed that11:36
zOnnyjelkner: ok11:36
replaceafillzOnny, did you test this locally?11:37
zOnnyreplaceafill: is the RSVP functional ?11:38
replaceafillzOnny, yes11:38
zOnnyreplaceafill: once I hover it should appear the pointer ?11:38
replaceafillzOnny, the hand cursor, yes11:39
replaceafillzOnny, over teh button11:39
replaceafillzOnny, have you set rsvp for any event yet?11:39
replaceafillzOnny, in your local instance?11:39
zOnnyreplaceafill: I see11:40
replaceafillzOnny, once you set rsvp for one of your events you'll see two buttons... for some reason i can't explain :)11:41
zOnnyreplaceafill: it wasn't the event details at all11:41
replaceafillzOnny, did you test it locally?11:43
replaceafillzOnny, you and mr_german are the CSS residents, but according to my limited understanding what's messing everything up is the clearfix class in that wrapper11:45
replaceafillACTION goes back to work11:46
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dizajelkner, hello11:46
jelknergood morning, diza!11:46
dizajelkner, how are you?11:46
jelkneri'm having a great time here with mr_german and replaceafill!11:47
jelknerhow are you?11:47
jelknerbtw. did you receive my text, or did zOnny's phone call get you here?11:47
dizajelkner, I'm good, yes and yes11:48
jelknerso you got the phone call first, then you saw the text?11:48
jelkneri'm just trying to figure out the most effective way to reach you11:48
jelknerit would be better if i didn't have to bother zOnny 11:49
jelknerbut i wasn't sure you would see the text11:49
dizajelkner, I get both at the same time11:49
jelknercool, next time i'll be more patient and not bother zOnny 11:50
jelkneranyway, i wanted to talk with you about cooperatives11:50
dizajelkner, ok11:51
jelkneri'm thinking there would be some interest among the community we are trying to reach in good, safe work11:51
jelknerfolks who do landscaping work, for example, work for some boss who takes a big chunk of what they earn for himself11:51
jelknerif they were part of a cooperative11:52
dizajelkner, but before I forget it, can you send me by text the phone number of roxan? I text her by facebook but it's better if I call her11:52
dizajelkner, I see, but how it would work?11:52
jelknerwell, we can talk more about that on Tuesday, Sept. 2411:53
jelknerAre you available to come to this:
dizajelkner, yes11:54
jelkneri would like to try to build for this event11:55
dizajelkner, sorry no11:55
dizajelkner, I didn't know that it was a monday11:55
dizajelkner, I have class from 6pm to 9pm11:55
jelknerok, in that case, you have a big organizational challenge in finding other folks from novalaciro who could attend11:56
jelknerpeople who work in house cleaning, yard work and landscaping, and other labor intensive limited capital required fields of employment11:58
dizajelkner, hmmm ok, the only one who come to my mien is Heylin  11:58
jelknerwell, ms. novalaciro organizer, you need to change that11:58
dizajelkner, oh ok I see11:59
jelknersince as wonderful as you and heylin are, we can't change the world with only the two of you ;-)11:59
dizajelkner, quick question, how many people could go?11:59
jelknerit is at cafe sazon11:59
dizajelkner, ok11:59
jelknerwe have over a month12:00
jelknerbut i would really like you to build for this12:00
dizajelkner, I'll think in a list and I'll reach the people as soon I come back12:00
jelkneryou are going to talk to janet, yes?12:00
jelknershe knows a lot of people12:00
jelknerask her if any of them might be interested in "firing their boss"12:01
jelknerwe are going to be hearing about a new law that just passed congress12:01
dizajelkner, I haven't talk with her yet, but I'm planing to meet with her after I get back12:01
jelknerand what it could mean for work ownership and employment opportunities12:02
jelknerok, that's all i have, diza 12:03
jelknernow that i know i can text you12:03
jelkneri will if i have anything else12:03
jelkneri'll talk to hrodriguez about this too when school starts12:04
dizajelkner, ok thnaks12:04
zOnnyjelkner: test again :/12:17
jelknerACTION goes to test12:25
replaceafillzOnny, works for me12:25
replaceafillzOnny, did you test locally this time? :)12:26
zOnnyreplaceafill: I couldn't12:27
zOnnyreplaceafill: jeff was in a hurry to test it12:27
replaceafillzOnny, :/12:30
jelknerzOnny, we have a new challenge for you12:30
jelknerthe last button before submit says "RSVP"12:30
jelknerthat is confusing12:30
jelknerit should say "Continue"12:30
jelknerreplaceafill says that is in tendenci core12:31
jelknerand needs to be changed there12:31
jelknerso we need to file a pull request12:31
zOnnyjelkner: on it12:31
jelknerdo you know how to do that?12:31
zOnnyjelkner: I guess 12:31
jelknera pull request i mean12:31
jelkneryou guess?12:31
jelknerguessing probably won't work12:32
zOnnyjelkner: I mean I will look on that12:32
jelkneryou'll need to know ;-)12:32
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zOnnyjelkner: Do you want "continue" in all of the Instances ?12:33
zOnnyzOnny: yes12:33
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jelknerzOnny, lelkneralfaro do we have a square logo i could use as an "avatar"?13:10
lelkneralfaroWhat's an avatar?13:11
zOnnyjelkner:  you mean like this
jelknerzOnny, replaceafill already gave me what i need14:02
jelknerlelkneralfaro, what are you working on now?14:02
jelknerzOnny, ask replaceafill about pull requests14:03
jelknerhrodriguez, how are you?14:03
zOnnyreplaceafill: ?14:05
replaceafillzOnny, yes?14:05
zOnnyreplaceafill: pull request ?14:05
replaceafillzOnny, what about it?14:05
zOnnyreplaceafill:  ^14:05
replaceafillzOnny, i don't understand what you mean14:05
replaceafillzOnny, by just symbols14:05
hrodriguezjelkner, I'm fine 14:07
hrodriguezand YOu jelkner 14:07
zOnnyreplaceafill: jeff mentioned  about pull request 14:07
replaceafillzOnny, jelkner could you point me to the issue you're discussing?14:08
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro should we delete all the current elections in the NWD site?14:11
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro i see 19 at the moment14:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, thats fine with me14:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, cool14:12
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, most are just tests14:12
replaceafilljelkner, should we delete all the current elections in the NWD site?14:12
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lelkneralfarojelkner, i think product description, comparison and pricing are what i should work on now.14:15
jelknerlelkneralfaro, i agree, but our website is the place to start14:16
jelkneri'm setting up crowdfunding accounts14:17
jelkneras i do, lelkneralfaro, i realize our website is out of date14:17
jelkneron two major counts:14:17
jelkner1. it doesn't mention our biggest feature, online voting14:17
jelkner2. we should say we offer Django development services in addition to tendenci14:18
jelknerwe may need to take some Django gigs to tide us over while we build support for our organizing platform14:18
jelkneri talked to replaceafill about this, and he agreed14:18
lelkneralfaroSounds good to me14:19
jelknerin fact, we are banking on gallaudet for one such gig, or we likely won't survive the next few months, as you knoiw14:19
jelknercan you do the website?14:19
lelkneralfarojelkner, sure14:20
jelkneri'm working on the crowdfunding accounts and our presentation for philadelphia14:20
jelknerbtw. any word from gallaudet?14:20
lelkneralfaroNope sent another email yesterday. No response14:21
jelknerok, thanks14:22
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro election data in NWD deleted14:24
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro let me know if something crashes because of it :)14:24
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro i saved a snapshot before deleting, just in case14:25
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replaceafillACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~4014:43
jelknerlelkneralfaro, i just emailed ubuntourist15:10
jelknerasking him for a meeting time15:10
jelknerwe need a name for our platform15:10
jelknerreplaceafill has been calling it "Frankenstein"15:10
jelknerthat's fine for internal use, but not for marketing ;-)15:11
lelkneralfaroOpen Organize15:11
jelkneri like that15:12
jelkneri was thinking of eUnion Organizer15:12
jelknerwe should come up with a list, and send it to folks at AEA for feedback15:13
replaceafillACTION is back15:32
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jelknerwhy ubuntourist, so wonderful to see you sir!15:59
jelkneri'm in the middle of writing up my daily summary email15:59
ubuntouristHail. And Sleet even.15:59
jelknerbut i was hoping for your input on something15:59
jelknerwe need a name for "Frankenstein"15:59
ubuntouristI gathered... 16:00
jelknerlelkneralfaro and i have come up with two:16:00
jelknerOpen Organize16:00
jelknereUnion Organizer16:00
jelknerwe agreed to put a few more on the list16:00
jelknerand send it to our current users for feedback16:00
ubuntouristI just read the message a few minutes ago, and got on to IRC. I haven't yet had time to consider.  While both yours are descriptive, and you (and Guido) have made the case against names like "Python",16:01
jelknerwe want something that immediately resonates with our target customer base16:02
ubuntouristthere's still something to be said for the slightly out-of-the-ordinary, IF it can still capture the essence.16:02
jelknerthey should hear the name and think, "yeah, that's what i'm looking for"16:03
jelknersure, my friend, through something clever on the list16:03
jelknerwe'll setup a vote for our users16:03
jelkneri'm particularly interested in what folks at AEA think, since they will be helping us market16:04
jelkneractually, involving them in the naming process is a form of marketing16:04
ubuntourist(I mean, Pascal, Django, Tendenci, Helios, all leave me with a "What?" whereas "FORmula TRANslator (FORTRAN), and "COmmon Business Oriented Language" (COBOL) decypher into meaning, but are distinct.16:04
jelknersince it helps them feel that the platform is "theirs"16:04
jelkneri personally think we want a name that immediately suggests what its for16:05
ubuntouristSo... Is there a made-up word that keeps "Organize" or "Organizer" central and easily extractable?16:05
jelknerbut i may be wrong, so let's put out several choices and see what our users think16:05
jelknerah, a backcronym16:06
jelkneronly you could do that16:06
jelknerthat's why i asked for your input16:06
ubuntourist;-) 16:06
jelkneranyway, i think monday is a good deadline to have the list16:07
ubuntouristSo. Yes. My mind is searching for a backronym that is not so clever as to occlude the meaning and purpose of the product.16:07
jelknerin other news, lelkneralfaro has written to our friends at gallaudet twice16:07
jelknerno reply16:07
jelkneri'm sure that won't surprise you16:08
jelknerbut we really need to know by august end that we have a contract16:08
jelknerwe can take out a short loan at that point as soon as the ink is dry16:08
ubuntouristI will try to stop by and badger in person on the way to Dragana's office.16:08
jelknerbut without the contract, it will be too risky16:08
jelknerlastly, i plan to start on our presentation tomorrow for FOSSCON16:09
jelknerhow do you want to handle that?16:09
jelknershould i create a first draft and send it to you?16:10
ubuntouristThat sounds better than any alternative I can come up with. ;-)16:10
jelkneri'll do that16:10
jelkneroh, i lied, one more last thing16:10
jelknercould i interest you into crossing the river to come to this:
jelknertim and detta at ora are on board with helping us do outreach and marketing16:12
jelknerthis guest speaker not only is connected with the famous mondragon cooperative16:12
ubuntouristLet me look in a second at that. Meanwhile, any plans re: ACC computers at Gallaudet? (I haven't heard / read anything on that score since traveling north.)16:12
jelknerbut he has been working on this new legislation that apparently passed recently to support worker ownership16:13
jelknerahh yes, i thought i sent you a "we don't have a life" proposal16:13
jelknerso show up either sunday or monday of labor day weekend16:13
ubuntouristSo you did.16:13
ubuntouristRight. Just slipped my mind.16:14
jelkneryeah, i'm loosing my mind too ;-)16:14
jelknerwell, your call16:14
ubuntouristMy call as to which day to pick up computers?16:15
jelknersunday or monday16:15
jelknercafeteria is open both days16:15
jelknersince students are back16:15
jelkneri think16:15
ubuntouristNo strong preferences, but I'll go with Sunday, since Monday nights are Microcontroller Mondays at HacDC, theoretically including holidays.16:16
jelknerACTION adds "Go to Gallaudet" to his calendar for sunday, sept. 216:17
ubuntouristI need to get out of here shortly for 3D Thursday at HacDC.16:17
jelknercan you please confirm about the cafeteria?16:17
jelknersure, we're done for now16:17
jelknerbut please check on the cafeteria16:17
jelkneri'll assume it is open and show up at 9 am for breakfast16:17
jelknerlater, ubuntourist 16:18
ubuntouristWell, this year, there has been food on the weekend, and it moved back to the cafeteria 16:18
ubuntourist(food all summer, I mean.)16:18
jelknerso never mind that16:18
jelkneri can assume its open16:18
ubuntouristThe hours had been somewhat contracted but I imagine it will be back to normal by then. I'll check.16:18
jelkneri'll look on the website16:19
jelknerdon't be late for hacdc16:19
jelknerand thanks again16:19
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