IRC log of #novawebdev for Wednesday, 2018-09-26

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mr_germanhello replaceafill , did you my email?12:05
replaceafillmr_german, i replied12:05
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok12:06
replaceafillmr_german, you need to select the master branch in tendenci's repository as the target of your pr12:07
replaceafillmr_german, you selected the master branch of the nova repo12:07
replaceafillmr_german, and the changes tab of your pull request should only have *your* changes12:08
replaceafillmr_german, if you see the pr you shared in your email, there's a lot of changes that are not yours12:08
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replaceafilllelkneralfaro, are you around?12:31
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jelknerGood afternoon replaceafill, lelkneralfaro, mr_german 12:41
mr_germanGood afternoon jelkner 12:41
replaceafillgood afternoon jelkner12:41
jelknerreplaceafill, mr_german, do either of you know if Big_Brother is configured correctly?12:41
jelknerif i use remind, will it show up at 11 am on sunday?12:42
jelkneri should ask mjsir911 about that tomorrow i guess12:42
replaceafilljelkner, i don't know12:42
replaceafilljelkner, +112:42
jelkneras we resume sunday meetings12:42
jelkneri want to use it again12:42
jelknerbtw. replaceafill, how are things going?12:43
mr_germanjelkner, no :(12:43
jelknerlelkneralfaro and ubuntourist have the meeting today12:43
replaceafilljelkner, writing to Kevin right now12:43
jelknerok, mr_german, i'll ask mjsir911 to fix it tomorrow12:43
replaceafilljelkner, i thought the meeting was cancelled12:43
jelkneri don't think so12:43
jelknerbut that's not my area12:44
replaceafilljelkner, oh, you're not in that thread12:44
jelknernor do i want to be ;-)12:44
jelknernever mind12:44
replaceafilljelkner, ok, i fwd'ed it12:45
jelkneri'll trust my comrades who can handle their respective responsibilities12:45
replaceafilljelkner, cool12:45
replaceafilljelkner, oh 12:45
replaceafilljelkner, i had a question for you12:45
jelkneri have 10 minutes12:45
replaceafilljelkner, did you go to the ORA event on monday?12:45
jelkneri did12:45
jelknerso did kevin12:45
replaceafilljelkner, did you try using the button?12:45
jelknerno, sorry12:46
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok12:46
jelkneri forgot about that12:46
replaceafilljelkner, just checking12:46
jelkneri got there early12:46
jelknerand met michael peck12:46
jelknerhe has a chapter in "Ours to Hack and to Own"12:46
jelknerhe knows micky metts12:47
replaceafilljelkner, ah12:47
jelknerand he is the US representative of Mondragon12:47
jelkneri learned there are four international representatives12:47
jelknerone in us, china, russia, and india12:47
jelknerhe told us a lot about how Mondragon operates12:48
jelknerinteresting stuff12:48
replaceafilljelkner, nice12:48
jelknerthey have 71 thousand worker owners12:48
jelknerand have been in business since the 1950s12:48
lelkneralfarojelkner, around now12:49
jelknerso it is without a doubt the most successful worker cooperative around12:49
jelknerprobably in history12:49
jelknerbut it is not without its particularities and contradictions12:49
lelkneralfarojelkner, yeah meeting is canceled 12:50
jelknerit was started in the Basque region of Spain when the region was totally isolated by the Franco dictatorship12:50
jelknerfor for 25 years, they were isolated, developing productive enterprises without competition for the local economy12:50
jelknernow they are competing in the international market12:51
jelknerso we talked about what can and can not be learned from their experience12:51
replaceafilljelkner, lelkneralfaro just sent an email to Kevin12:51
replaceafilli need to learn to type Kevin's irc handle..12:52
replaceafillubuntourist, right?12:52
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yeah just got it. sorry i missed the irc notification a number of minutes ago. what's up?12:52
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and yes that is how you type it12:52
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, oh, hold on i want to show you a screenshot12:52
jelknerreplaceafill, take a look at when you get a chance12:53
jelknerok, i'll let y'all get back to work12:53
jelknertalk to you later12:53
replaceafilljelkner, cool, ttyl12:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, sent you the image through google chat12:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, my question was12:53
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, looking at it now12:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, when you met with them12:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and gave you a tour of the system12:54
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, do you remember seeing errors like that one?12:54
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i've found a couple which seem like outdated code in the drupal side12:54
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I can't say for sure, but it does look familiar. they showed me the error that was generated when people submitted their entries12:55
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and i'm curious if they're using those parts at all12:55
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, and it may have looked similarly. but I'm not positive.12:55
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I can request those errors from Senda12:55
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah ok, np12:55
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, well, i'm having this weird trouble now12:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, like i said in my mail to ubuntourist just now12:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i can navigate most parts12:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, but i have no idea of the workflow they follow12:56
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and ubuntourist's email yesterday make me think there's some db admin work to be done to fulfill Senda's first request12:57
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replaceafillhello ubuntourist12:58
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Hey. I saw the email.12:58
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I understand, I have no idea either. Would you like me to ask them questions about the workflow?13:00
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, let me talk to ubuntourist first13:00
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I should review my own code some day. If I recall correctly, turning back the clock is done from psql -- poking around in the database without a safety net.13:00
replaceafillubuntourist, right13:00
replaceafillubuntourist, do you remember the criteria followed to turning the clock back?13:01
replaceafillubuntourist, like all projects or products in a specific state with a specific date?13:01
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Sadly, I've been away from it for too long.  But give me a sec... The .psqlhistory or .pghistory or some such in my account may have enough detail in it.13:02
replaceafillubuntourist, ah!13:03
ubuntouristACTION watches the paint dry while hoping for a shell prompt on
replaceafillsince i have never worked with a vpn before, i'm blaming that for the slowness :D13:05
ubuntouristreplaceafill, it looks like the history is capped at 500 lines. (Or, by amazing coincidence, I typed exactly 500 lines -- no more, no less -- into the interactive psql.)13:07
replaceafillubuntourist, ah13:08
replaceafillHISTSIZE The maximum number of commands to store in the command history (default 500)13:09
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Ick. I may have done it from the Django admin interface. I'm not finding a likely candidate in the history.  That said, let me copy it to your account with the name PSQL_HISTORY 13:13
ubuntourist(all caps, no leading period.)13:13
replaceafillubuntourist, thanks13:13
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I think I'll add you to sudoers too.13:15
replaceafillubuntourist, i'm already am13:15
ubuntouristOh. Never mind. ;-)13:15
ubuntouristACTION is digging around in his digital clutter for documentation and/or scripts.13:17
ubuntourist(Starting with [find ~/ -name "*.sql" | most]...)13:18
ubuntouristI'll also be looking for the infamous "captains,log"13:19
replaceafillubuntourist, i checked the one in the research repo but couldn't figure it out from it13:20
replaceafillubuntourist, closest thing i found was your 2013.10.25 entry13:21
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I was going through various log files in alphabetical order and am finally on the one you're on. And, yes. That entry looks like a very large part of the solution.13:26
replaceafillubuntourist, remember this one:
ubuntouristACTION is logging into bitbucket...13:27
replaceafillubuntourist, i'm just curious why was it needed?13:28
ubuntouristreplaceafill, one problem at a time. ;-) You're now more intimate with the code than I am. ;-)13:30
replaceafillubuntourist, sorry :)13:30
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Ah. As I'd guessed / remembered, the book is generated based on projects (and their respective products) that have been reported within the fiscal year for which the book is being generated...13:34
replaceafillubuntourist, could you expand a bit on the fiscal year part13:35
replaceafillubuntourist, i noticed clipper has attributes for tracking two things related to the fiscal year13:35
replaceafillubuntourist, this year we're generating the book for fiscal year.... 2018?13:36
replaceafillubuntourist, meaning which date range?13:36
ubuntouristreplaceafill, The US federal government runs its calendar from October 1 to September 30. The report sent to Congress is (theoretically) due on October 1 of the NEW fiscal year.13:37
replaceafillubuntourist, so we should list everything done or ongoing during 2017-10-01 and 2018-09-30?13:38
ubuntouristSo, capture data for October 1, 2017 to September 30, 2018 for FY 2018 report.13:38
replaceafillubuntourist, ah13:38
ubuntouristreplaceafill, right.13:38
replaceafillubuntourist, but whatever that was introduced in last year book and was ongoing at the moment was marked, correct?13:39
replaceafillubuntourist, and that's what's hiding it13:39
ubuntouristSo. The idea is: For ongoing projects reported last year, there may be updates to the abstracts, including the description, personnel changes, changes in the end date or status (maybe it was completed in 2017), and new products (papers, presentations, etc)13:40
ubuntouristmay have come out of the project.13:40
replaceafillubuntourist, :D we're syncing our sentences :P13:40
replaceafillubuntourist, i understand much better now thanks!13:41
ubuntouristSince Chip and / or Todd would "bless" an entry as "done and book-ready" but researchers and / or Senda would attempt to change it AFTER it had been signed off on, 13:41
ubuntouristI implemented (poorly) a means of preventing that. Changing the status to a high enough level hides the entry from "the great unwashed" preventing them from breaking an entry deemed as good.13:43
replaceafillubuntourist, and the great unwashed access each project from the "List Projects Categorized by Research Priorities" link?13:44
replaceafillubuntourist, or maybe all those views "Search, Filter, etc" hide them the same way?13:44
ubuntouristWhat I didn't implement was a good mechanism for "resetting" to editable stuff which needs review every year around this time.13:44
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Hold. Let me login to the "internal".13:45
replaceafillubuntourist, ok13:45
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Everything above the gray is accessible to the general public and does not give any ability to write to the database.13:47
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Oops. No.13:48
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Ignore that.13:48
ubuntouristThe general public can access the data several different ways. I'm not sure why "Add New Project" isn't in the gray. Everything ELSE above the gray is open to all.13:51
replaceafillubuntourist, sorry, what do you mean by "above the gray"?13:51
replaceafillubuntourist, could you paste the end of the url of that view?13:52
ubuntouristreplaceafill, You're logged into right?  When you're not logged in, there are 11 highlighted menu choices in a bulleted list.13:53
replaceafillubuntourist, no i can't login to production with my credentials13:54
replaceafillubuntourist, but i have it running locally13:54
ubuntouristreplaceafill, When you ARE logged in, there should be a section below those bullets that has a gray background.13:54
ubuntouristreplaceafill, damn. I forgot.13:54
ubuntouristreplaceafill,  Rather than screw around with it, let me just give you my credentials.13:55
replaceafillubuntourist, ah cool, thanks13:55
replaceafillubuntourist, oh, the area you refer to says: "For authorized users only, and often mildly experimental"?13:59
replaceafillubuntourist, i'm checking its template in the repo13:59
ubuntouristreplaceafill, on the site in your home directory, has what you need. please burn after reading. ;-)13:59
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Right.13:59
replaceafillubuntourist, lol13:59
replaceafillubuntourist, thanks14:00
replaceafillubuntourist, ah now i understand why i don't see it locally either14:00
replaceafillubuntourist, it's protected14:00
replaceafill{% if request.session.authorized and request.session.responsibility != "1" %}14:00
ubuntouristDeus ex machina can see and do all.14:01
ubuntouristreplaceafill, let me know if the credentials DON'T get you into the gray on the live site.14:01
replaceafillubuntourist, i think it's because i used backdoor credentials14:01
replaceafillubuntourist, waiting for the paint to dry :D14:01
replaceafillubuntourist, to log in14:01
replaceafillubuntourist, my really unstable connection doesn't help me at all either14:02
replaceafillubuntourist, file burned14:02
ubuntouristreplaceafill, btw Brian set up a Vagrant(?) system for testing / development. I've never used that, and so know nothing about it.14:03
replaceafillubuntourist, i started with it, but i can't remember what wall i hit with it14:03
replaceafillubuntourist, ah! repos14:03
replaceafillubuntourist, there were some things not available anymore14:03
replaceafillubuntourist, eeeeeeehhh, i can see the gray area now!14:04
ubuntouristreplaceafill, one of my many chapters in the imaginary book I often joke about "Worst Practices" will be "Development systems? We don't need no stinking development systems!"14:04
replaceafillubuntourist, oh, so ARA does have navigation!!! :D14:04
replaceafill"I'm not sure why "Add New Project" isn't in the gray. Everything ELSE above the gray is open to all."14:05
replaceafillah now i understand that14:05
ubuntouristreplaceafill, So, as you can see in the gray, the two "Pending" areas. Projects and Products.14:07
replaceafillubuntourist, is Senda looking for the "updated boo-ready XXX awaiting???" links?14:08
ubuntouristreplaceafill, So, for example, pick "List unsubmitted project report drafts". Then select an entry from the list.14:08
ubuntouristreplaceafill, it displays ALMOST the same way as it would for the general public, but now there are buttons at the bottom of the abstract.14:09
replaceafillubuntourist, hey, i remember the draft background14:09
replaceafillubuntourist, right14:09
ubuntouristThe button on the right advances it to the next stage (or state -- which is why that django-fsm extension looked intriguing to me).14:11
replaceafillubuntourist, ah right14:11
replaceafillworkflow like approach14:11
ubuntouristreplaceafill, in theory, as it advances, lesser users are cut off from making changes. I did not want the "train to roll backwards downhill".14:11
ubuntouristreplaceafill, right.14:12
ubuntouristreplaceafill, the chapters in "Worst Practices" are all from self-taught practices. I started thinking about what I needed and just threw together my evolving concept of "workflow".14:13
replaceafillubuntourist, i understand the feeling 100% :)14:13
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I didn't have some shining example or theory of the "right" way to do it.14:13
ubuntouristGiven that it's already September-fucking-26th !!! My gut is saying "Screw it. Just open the floodgates and let Senda 'have at' anything from last year. Reset everything back to unsubmitted draft."14:15
ubuntouristreplaceafill, however, that may be a bit rash.14:16
replaceafillubuntourist, the right sql query would do it, right?14:17
replaceafillubuntourist, now that i can see and follow the states i think i can poke my local instance to try to get the query14:17
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I do know she must be tearing her hair out and desperate to get at the editing, and... well, we do have something like a backup. I have a cronjob that does a dumpall every night.14:18
replaceafillubuntourist, ah ok14:18
replaceafillubuntourist, well, if you're ok with that approach, i am :)14:18
ubuntouristreplaceafill, oops. Hold.14:18
ubuntouristreplaceafill, "crontab -l" shows that commented out... maybe it was just killing system performance.14:19
ubuntourist(Or maybe it got moved to the system-wide crontab. checking now.)14:20
ubuntouristreplaceafill, moved to system-wide. There's a /root/postgresql_current_dump.sql created a 16:50 daily.14:23
ubuntouristreplaceafill, BRB14:23
replaceafillubuntourist, ah ok14:23
replaceafillubuntourist, sure14:23
replaceafillubuntourist, duh, my local user was an unwashed! now i can see the menu locally14:26
ubuntouristreplaceafill, back.14:28
ubuntouristI'm both embarrassed and proud of my code: Embarrassed because I could see the flaws even as I designed it. Proud because when I talk to a lot of people they're surprised that I was the lone coder working for a guy with serious attention deficit disorder.14:30
ubuntourist(The book output is actually pretty good.)14:30
ubuntourist(I think.) ;-)14:30
replaceafillubuntourist, yeah, i've seen it14:31
ubuntouristSlow. Very slow. It has a lot to digest in order to produce the book. But still... once it's done it does a good job.14:31
replaceafillubuntourist, this just made me laugh because i finally understand the value:14:32
replaceafillif   items == "je":   # ProJEcts14:32
replaceafillelif items == "du":   # ProDUcts14:32
replaceafillubuntourist, your regular expression use is in another level for me14:33
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I remember when I inherited the database, I was constantly annoyed by the fact that both words were the same length with lots of letters in common.14:33
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I live in regex. ;-)14:34
replaceafillubuntourist, i can see :D14:34
replaceafillubuntourist, i don't want to hold you longer, but could you check this:
ubuntouristreplaceafill, BTW that reminds me: squeeze.sql is an attempt to squeeze all the junk out of the database.14:38
replaceafillubuntourist, i've noticed the changes Brian made last year14:39
replaceafillubuntourist, to the UI to change from 2016 to 201714:39
replaceafillubuntourist, i'm assuming something like that will be needed again, but i'm unsure when it's best to do it14:39
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I haven't looked at anything Brian did. 14:39
replaceafillubuntourist, or we should wait for Senda to request them explicitly14:39
replaceafillubuntourist, it's just "comestic" changes i'd say14:40
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I say take care of everything else first, then go ahead and change the UI without waiting once we cross over into October.14:41
replaceafillubuntourist, ah good point, we're still in 201714:42
ubuntouristreplaceafill, (I'm basing that on the fact that whatever Brian did, he did in August. So presumably, his changes didn't impact the editing of entries.)14:42
replaceafillubuntourist, +1 i haven't seen anything changing the logic of the applicaiton14:43
replaceafillubuntourist, "drastic" changes at least14:43
replaceafillubuntourist, so, should we come up with a query to update projects and products as we discussed?14:44
replaceafillubuntourist, everything that was in progress and included in the previous book14:44
replaceafillubuntourist, and everything that doesn't finish by sept 3014:44
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Yes. That sounds right.14:45
replaceafillubuntourist, cool, do you want me to work on it? or do you prefer to do it?14:45
replaceafillubuntourist, i assume your plates are full :)14:45
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Since I'm trying to wean them of me, you go ahead. I want them to get used to the idea that they've hired NWD, not "continued with me as if I was still full-time"14:46
replaceafillubuntourist, i understand14:46
replaceafillubuntourist, i'll work on it this afternoon and nag you again if i get stuck14:46
replaceafillubuntourist, i'm way more optimistic now14:47
replaceafillubuntourist, and i understand things better14:47
replaceafillubuntourist, so thanks a lot for that14:47
ubuntouristreplaceafill, to quote Montgomery Burns and "Polly-Elkner": "Excellent!"14:47
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, you around?14:48
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I am14:49
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, hey, just wanted to give you an update14:49
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +114:49
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i don't think we need to ask about the workflow anymore14:49
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i can see the ARA menu now! :)14:49
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and i understand the problem better14:50
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, so i'll test updating the data in my local environment this afternoon14:50
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, wonderful. sounds like ubuntourist was helpful14:50
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, big +114:51
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, so i'll keep you posted when i have more progress14:51
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, +1 thanks14:51
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ubuntourist i created this spreadsheet to track the Gallaudet work
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool. speaking of which. I received a call asking that we send the first invoice on Friday14:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ubuntourist i'm including chats/meetings like the one we just had14:53
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, so we'll get some income for the September work14:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah nice14:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, glad to hear14:53
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'll be including any time we communicate about the projects as well14:53
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, +114:54
ubuntouristreplaceafill, So organized. I started that way with Dragana's project but quickly gave up because I was always either way under or way over the predicted hours for a given month. So, now I just divide the budget into 12 months and try not to cheat anyone.14:56
replaceafillubuntourist, ah i've used that approach too14:57
replaceafillubuntourist, and the same has happened to me (feeling like going way above estimate)14:58
ubuntouristI work more hours than I charge, but then I feel I should accomplish more in the hours I do use. So, I think it all averages out.14:58
replaceafillubuntourist, we should include your time in this sheet14:59
replaceafillubuntourist, the "having 2 resources working on the same problem" feeling is understandable i think15:00
replaceafillubuntourist, since i consider this "training"15:00
ubuntouristreplaceafill, The income for this project goes to you and Louis. I'm getting a reasonable income from retirement and Dragana.15:01
replaceafillubuntourist, ah ok, i understand15:02
ubuntouristreplaceafill, (Feel free to include my time when you bill them, though.) 15:03
ubuntouristreplaceafill, (Just redirect that money to you and Louis.)15:03
replaceafillubuntourist, cool, yes i think we should15:03
replaceafillubuntourist, thanks :)15:04
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, if you didn't request errors from Gallaudet, they're reading our minds :D15:05
ubuntouristBTW, now that you have access to everything, if you get time, maybe you should figure out why you needed my credentials for "internal_use". But it's a very LOW priority.15:06
replaceafillubuntourist, i pressume is that i'm not found in the ldap server because my account doesn't have a part15:07
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Oh.15:07
replaceafillubuntourist, like it's not an "official" account15:07
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, yes I saw that. I'm glad they're sharing15:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, and that's drupal btw15:08
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'm not sure if we should get picky about it15:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, since Charles mentioned a contract addon at some point15:09
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, when drupal entered the conversation15:09
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Looking at that issue, it appears she didn't put in an abstract, didn't put in a department, didn't put in a title... in fact, didn't put in anything, and tried to save...15:09
ubuntouristreplaceafill, I'm not sure what she was expecting it to do...15:10
replaceafillubuntourist, ah, i thought the form reset afte r the error15:10
ubuntouristreplaceafill, maybe. But in that case, you still have nothing to go on.15:10
ubuntouristreplaceafill, does CLIPPR log errors?15:11
mr_germanACTION goes to lunch15:11
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, what do you mean get picky about it?15:11
replaceafillubuntourist, haven't paid attention to it15:11
replaceafillubuntourist, (logging i mean)15:11
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i mean "avoiding" drupal work15:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, rejecting15:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, saying "that's not our business" :D15:12
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, i'm not saying we should, i'm just saying i'm not sure how to proceed, contract-wise15:12
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Sadly, that's PROBABLY not a good option unless Brian is willing to step in a lot for no pay.15:13
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, ahh I see. I'd have to go back over that thread. from what I understand some drupal work is expected15:13
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah ok, that's fine15:13
ubuntouristreplaceafill, He's made them dependent on the Drupal code to feed the Django code.15:13
replaceafillubuntourist, lelkneralfaro yeah i *think* we can handle the drupal part15:13
replaceafillubuntourist, right15:14
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, cool15:14
replaceafillubuntourist, and i learned how to use multiple databases in drupal because of it15:14
replaceafillubuntourist, Brian's code works on "default" (drupal) and when it needs switches to "research"15:14
ubuntouristreplaceafill, So, you should be paying Brian for your training. ;-p15:15
replaceafillubuntourist, lol15:15
ubuntouristreplaceafill, He likes good beer.15:15
replaceafillubuntourist, technically i've learned it from open source (hhmm?) code15:15
replaceafillubuntourist, no no, from source code i have access to :P15:15
ubuntouristreplaceafill, heh.15:16
replaceafillubuntourist, i'm saving my nagging questions to Brian so i have a huge list15:16
ubuntouristreplaceafill, Things like Susan's issue may force me to step in, because I imagine she has no idea how to screen-share, and being able to watch as she attempts something will probably become necessary.15:18
lelkneralfaroreplaceafill, I'm coming down with a cold. so I'm going to call it quits for now and rest15:19
ubuntouristreplaceafill, But I REALLY don't want to. Chip made me nuts enough to quit the place, and as I said, I want to wean them at least a little.15:19
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, I hope it isn't what I still have.15:19
replaceafilllelkneralfaro, ah ok, get better15:19
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, I'm finally over most of it.15:19
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, I don't think it's too serious. but I want to make sure to rest and get over it quickly15:19
lelkneralfaroubuntourist, lingering colds are no fun.15:20
ubuntouristlelkneralfaro, later then.15:20
lelkneralfarotalk to you later15:20
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jelknerping replaceafill 16:16
replaceafilljelkner, pong16:16
jelknerso i heard from nrcerna16:16
jelknershe wants to work with us full time16:16
jelknerwe want her to16:17
jelknerif we get either of the Liberia gigs, i think we should just do that16:17
jelknerdo you agree?16:17
jelknerreplaceafill, are you thinking, or are you still there?16:18
replaceafilljelkner, did she come up with a number?16:19
jelknershe didn't actually put it that way16:19
jelknerbut basically, what mr_german is earning would be a big increase for her16:19
jelknerso we could start with that16:19
replaceafilljelkner, cool16:20
replaceafilljelkner, i see no problem16:20
jelknerit would be a plus16:20
jelknerwe could market our design services more16:21
jelknerok, let's cross our fingers and wait for isaac to get back from NY16:21
jelknerhe is meeting with the president of Liberia there16:21
replaceafilljelkner, i'm crossing my toes too :)16:21
jelknerme too!16:21
mr_german1+ jelkner 16:22
jelknerbtw, replaceafill, we want you to join us in cleveland16:23
jelknercool, mr_german 16:23
jelknerGo team Guanaco!16:23
replaceafilljelkner, if we survive it'd be nice16:23
jelknerand we will16:24
jelkneri can feel it in my bones ;-)16:24
replaceafilljelkner, :D16:24
jelknerokie dokie16:24
jelknerback to work, including emailing nrcerna back16:24
jelknerlater gaters16:24
replaceafilljelkner, later o/16:25
ubuntouristjelkner, Is it too much too soon to try and cram Cincinnati into the Cleveland trip?16:35
ubuntouristjelkner, (No sense of distance: Me. Looking on a map just now, I see its probably rather silly: ~4 hours from Cleveland and further west than Cleveland. So, never mind.)16:38
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jelknerACTION signs off for the evening17:51
jelkneri'll be here longer tomorrow, since its code for nova day17:51

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