IRC log of #novawebdev for Thursday, 2020-04-02

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ubuntouristACTION is using jitsi client10:08
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ubuntouristACTION is using the jitsi client to connect to irc...14:18
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ubuntouristTrying to figure out how to get the Jitsi client to hook to Jitsi Meeting... No joy ATM.14:39
ubuntouristACTION figured out why can't see !reminders but can add new ones:14:45
ubuntouristThe behavior has apparently changed(?) and !remind opens a private room rather than displaying inline.14:45
ubuntouristRiot.IM *might* be putting them somewhere else, but I don't know where.14:46
ubuntouristJitsi client, on the other hand, opened a new tab and put the !reminders there.14:46
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nrcerna!remind business tracker progress (zOnny GFbot)15:19
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ubuntourist!remind Try me first! Ubuntourist is inviting you to a meeting.15:44
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ubuntouristJoin the meeting:15:44
ubuntourist!remind Oops! Try ME first:
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ubuntouristubuntourist is inviting you to a meeting.15:51
ubuntouristJoin the meeting:15:51
ubuntouristTo join by phone instead, tap this: +1.512.402.2718,,2550403820#15:51
ubuntouristLooking for a different dial-in number?15:51
ubuntouristSee meeting dial-in numbers:
ubuntouristIf also dialing-in through a room phone, join without connecting to audio:
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jelknerGood morning, hrodriguez!15:56
hrodriguezGood mornig jelkner 15:58
LittleBrother2020-04-02 15:59:16.83169715:59
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zOnny : hrodriguez : GFbot : PAldea : SAhmad : Amina25 : bcassatt : lbolz : CMoran : abuchholz : nrcerna : +jelkner : @ubuntourist : @ubuntourist[m] : @mjsir911 : wolcen : @ChanServ16:00
However, Riot.IM does not understand !remind w/ no arguments... Odd. (ubuntourist)16:00
NOVALACIRO is up for testing featuring: translation, improved design responsiveness (down to 3.5inch devices), memberships, events, and boxes (SITarabuta)16:00 ? (ubuntourist[m])16:00
Mumble is lightweight. Jitsi might be too heavyweight. (ubuntourist[m])16:00
business tracker progress (zOnny GFbot) (nrcerna)16:00
Try me first! Ubuntourist is inviting you to a meeting. (ubuntourist)16:00
Oops! Try ME first: (ubuntourist)16:00
nrcernaHello everyone!16:00
jelknerGood morning!16:00
abuchholzGood Afternoon ;)16:01
ubuntouristACTION grunts, grumbles, as usual...16:01
nrcernaBefore I start I want to congratulate ubuntourist 16:02
nrcernaIts amazing what you did :)16:02
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ubuntouristFor filling up the !remind queue with useless crap? ;-)16:02
nrcernano, for the video call :) 16:03
nrcernacan you talk about this? ubuntourist 16:03
ubuntouristnrcerna: Much of that can be ignored. Go for the actual business stuff, and people can play around with the other stuff afterwards.16:03
nrcerna(A quick comment)16:03
SITarabutaHi everyone! I am a little late, as always16:03
nrcernagreat ubuntourist 16:04
nrcernaSo next item:  Discuss Wiki for NovaWebDev (abuchholz)16:04
abuchholzSo. Stefan has been a great help, and I have been developing an app to work with LibreOrganize16:05
abuchholzSpecifically the app will allow a user with the correct permissions to create and modify wikis16:05
abuchholzThe app is almost done just need to test some things and then I will have to port over the current data in the novawebdev wiki16:06
abuchholzfound here:
SITarabutaAlso, I managed to give aelkner a mini heart-attack yesterday16:06
SITarabutaThankfully, he is fine16:06
abuchholzACTION is done.16:07
jelkneryes, he called me16:07
nrcernaThe next belongs to you SITarabuta 16:07
nrcernaNOVALACIRO is up for testing featuring: translation, improved design responsiveness (down to 3.5inch devices), memberships, events, and boxes (SITarabuta)16:07
SITarabutaWell, that is pretty self-explanatory16:08
jelknerSITarabuta, i have a question16:08
SITarabutaThat is about it. I will give you an IP after the meeting16:08
jelknerbefore you finish16:08
ubuntouristSITarabuta: You should mention your search button. ;-)16:08
jelknerso, hrodriguez is here16:08
jelknerand this is for lbolz too16:08
SITarabutaubuntourist :-)16:09
jelknerwhat is the plan to have her log-in, see her members, and begin using LO to outreach to her community?16:09
SITarabutaShe should be able to test that today or tomorrow. Still have to migrate the data16:09
jelknerSITarabuta, can we plan on that for tomorrow afternoon?16:10
SITarabutaFor outreach, we can also set up a mailing list16:10
jelkner4 pm? hrodriguez will that work for you?16:10
ubuntouristBTW, Quick interruption for those of us not in the know.16:10
hrodriguezyes, it works for me16:10
ubuntouristCould everyone type their real name?16:11
jelknerACTION done16:11
ubuntourist= Kevin Cole16:11
jelkner= Jeff Elkner16:11
abuchholz= Adrian Buchholz16:11
hrodriguezHeylin Rodriguez 16:11
ubuntourist(Lots of new "faces" here.)16:11
nrcerna= Natalia Cerna16:11
lbolzLena Bolz16:11
CMoranCaleb Moran16:11
SITarabuta= Stefan-Ionut Tarabuta16:11
Amina25Amina Luvsanchultem16:11
PAldeaPaul Aldea16:11
bcassattBen Cassatt16:11
SAhmadSameen Ahmad16:11
zOnny= Edzon Quinteros16:12
ubuntouristThanks all! We now return to your regularly scheduled program...16:12
lbolzwait actually jeff 4pm won't work for me16:13
jelknerlbolz, let's talk after16:13
nrcernaOk the last one: business tracker progress (zOnny GFbot)16:13
nrcernaGFbot and zOnny , Could you please give a brief report of what you worked?16:14
GFbotwell zOnny and I made a good progress this week working on the views and functionality of the application.16:15
GFboti was working of the detail part of the invoice16:15
GFbotnow we can have our PDF invoice16:15
GFbotfor each customer.16:15
GFbotyou'll be able to see a preview invoice16:16
GFboton the detail view16:16
jelknerGFbot, question16:16
jelknerdo we have a form yet to enter info to create the invoice?16:17
SITarabutaGFbot, can you push the code? I am excited for this one! I want to learn how to build PDFs with Django16:17
GFbotyes jelkner16:17
jelkneri don't want to get into the weeds now, but we need to talk about how invoice numbers are generated16:18
jelknernow that we are building our own tool, we can automate and rationalize that process16:18
jelknerlet's talk after16:18
GFbotjelkner yes16:18
nrcernaYes we talked about a customer ID and Invoice ID jelkner 16:18
nrcernaIn order to organize it16:19
jelknersuper, you're one step ahead of me as usual ;-)16:19
GFbotjelkner we hope you can meet with Alan today16:19
nrcernaSo they are going to share the progress with Alan today16:19
GFbotto see the progress.16:19
nrcernaCould you join us jelkner ?16:20
ubuntouristI have weighed in on invoice IDs before and would like to do so again afterwards.16:20
jelkneri can't, nrcerna 16:20
jelkneri'm a bernie delegate to the va convention16:20
jelknerit's virtual16:20
jelknerso we have meetings on thursdays16:20
nrcernaOk np jelkner 16:21
nrcernaGreat ubuntourist , you can help us on that16:21
GFbot1+ ubuntourist16:21
nrcernaOk anyone has anything to add or share?16:21
GFbotACTION is done16:21
ubuntouristI'll go briefly:16:21
ubuntourist1. While abuchholz and SITarabuta are working on wiki stuff, I wanted to have a backup16:22
ubuntouristSo the wiki SQL is both dumped to my local machine, and now, searchable via the Wayback Machine at Internet Archives as of this morning.16:23
SITarabutaOh, great!16:23
SITarabutaSo I don't have to worry about that16:23
SITarabutaBecause we had a heart attack yesterday16:23
SITarabutaBut anyway16:23
jelknerAs our crazy friend from Vermont often says16:24
SITarabutaI learned PHP yesterday lmao16:24
jelknerThe five most important works in the IT industry:16:24
jelknerDid you back it up!?16:24
ubuntourist2. "mumble" is a lightweight audio only server now running on our site directly.16:24
jelknerwow, ubuntourist 16:24
jelknerthat sounds super promising16:24
jelknersound is much lighter then video16:25
jelknerand is usually all we need16:25
ubuntouristA bit clunky, but I suggest, if you've got a few KB to spare, apt install mumble and try it out.16:25
jelknersound plus screen share16:25
ubuntouristI'll put further instructions in e-mail.16:25
ubuntourist3. Riot.IM is a free / open source parallel to Discord. Trying to do all the same stuff.16:26
jelknerubuntourist, just looked Plumble is the android app for that on F-Droid16:26
ubuntouristIt doesn't do it as well, but it gets much of the same features. Watch for it to improve.16:26
ubuntourist4. And finally, as demonstrated before the meeting, Jitsi, which uses the open WebRTC standard worked pretty well.16:27
ubuntouristRiot.IM connects to Jitsi as do other services. But... there are instructions for how to host our own Jitsi meet on our servers.16:28
ubuntouristMy guess is it's pretty bandwidth intensive, and so, we want to tread cautiously here.16:28
ubuntouristACTION is done (he thinks).16:28
jelkneryou rock, ubuntourist 16:28
nrcernaSo I think we are done?16:29
ubuntouristjelkner: the benefits of lockdown and boredom. ;-)16:29
jelknerwhen life gives you lemons, ubuntourist, make lemonade ;-)16:30
ubuntouristP.S. I'm in this chat via the Jitsi client, not Hexchat.16:30
ubuntouristSo, newbies, etc, any interests etc you'd like to share?16:31
PAldeaNot much. Personally, I've been going through django and ubuntu tutorials for the last couple of days.16:32
ubuntouristPAldea: Most excellent.16:33
PAldeaI've found it all quite straight forward, so no burning questions so far.16:33
jelknerPAldea, don't hesitate to reach out with questions16:33
jelknerok, PAldea, so no need ;-)16:33
ubuntouristThat goes for all. email the gang and / or look for us on IRC / Discord...16:34
jelknerlbolz, hrodriguez, SITarabuta, abuchholz what time tomorrow can we meet?16:35
SITarabutaI am always free16:35
SITarabutathese days sooooo16:35
ubuntouristExpect me to be "Dark and  Surly" (TM) -- as opposed to "bright and early" -- but generally helpful.16:35
jelknersince lbolz says 4 pm won't work16:35
jelkneri'm available all day tomorrow16:35
lbolzi just can't meet between 3-4:3016:35
hrodriguezhow mucht time it woulf take?16:35
lbolzor between 12-116:35
jelknercan we meet at 4:30 pm16:36
jelknerlbolz, it may take awhile16:36
jelknerits a working meeting16:36
ubuntouristACTION will be right back ~ 2 minutes or less.16:36
lbolz4:30 works for me16:36
jelknerwe should all get accounts on the novalaciro site16:36
jelknerand begin testing things16:36
hrodriguezyeah that is fine with me16:36
jelknerSITarabuta, abuchholz 4:30 pm tomorrow?16:36
jelknercool, i'll reach out to ubuntourist to see if we can use mumble for this16:37
jelknersince we want to talk while we test the app through the browser16:37
GFbotjelkner can you call me tomorrow 16:37
jelkneri'll send an email tomorrow morning16:37
jelknerwill do, GFbot 16:38
GFbotcool ty16:38
jelknernrcerna, you never officially ended the meeting16:38
nrcernaACTION Drops the bag of gravel16:38
nrcernaI was waiting jaja16:39
jelknerthis was such fun!16:39
jelknera great meeting, nrcerna 16:39
nrcernaThanks everyone!16:39
nrcernaSee you on sunday16:39
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ubuntouristokay. I've still got the jitsi meeting room up (or rather, I closed and re-opened.)16:39
PAldeaHave a good day everyone!16:40
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jelkneryou too, PAldea 16:40
Amina25Thank you!16:40
jelknerThank you, Amina25!16:40
SAhmadThank You So Much!!16:40
ubuntouristSomeone should try the audio-only dial-in phone number which I can share here.16:40
jelknerYou too, SAhmad!16:40
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jelknerubuntourist, i have until 1:30 pm16:41
jelkneri can work with you on mumble16:41
jelkneri'd like an easy to use free software group audio solution16:41
jelknerif mumble works16:41
jelknerwe're in business16:41
jelknerubuntourist, tell me what to do16:41
ubuntouristOk, I'll shut down jitsi meet because my computer gets confused with two competing audio apps.16:41
jelknerfirstly, i installed plumble16:41
jelknerbut that is for my phone16:42
ubuntouristBefore that: Invoices16:42
jelknerwhat about desktop?16:42
abuchholzjelkner. wiki app is done. All the data from the current wiki should be moved over to the app by tonight or tomorrow morning and will be live on
jelknerabuchholz, SITarabuta can you update the dash board16:42
jelknerand SITarabuta, time to remove the April Fools joke16:43
jelknerit worked like a charm16:43
jelknerthis April Fool was totally caught by it16:43
ubuntouristMy suggestion while Louis was at the helm: A unique letter identifier for the CONTRACT not the company, followed by a sequence number (or date in the form yyyymmdd for easy sorting).16:43
jelknerbut I'm an easy target ;-)16:43
jelknersince being a fool comes natural to me16:44
nrcernathats what I mentioned GFbot, ubuntourist 16:44
nrcernaBut can we assign a identifier to the customer , something like this:16:44
jelknerubuntourist, the only problem with that16:44
ubuntouristnrcerna: This avoids the situation we had where we had two simultaneous Gallaudet contracts. Naming them after the project (or contract) allowed them to be kept separate.16:44
jelkneris that we often won't have contracts16:45
jelknerjust invoices16:45
jelknerour "real" customers16:45
jelknerlike Gallaudet16:45
jelknerwill have contracts16:45
nrcernaWait, Im going to send you the structure I mentioned16:45
nrcernaubuntourist, 16:45
jelknerbut small potatoes ones won't16:45
ubuntouristjelkner: OK, after the "project" not the person or organization.16:45
jelkneri have neither experience nor insight16:46
nrcernawe want to use services as well as identifier, this could help us a lot to find 16:46
jelknerso i will defer to the wiser among you16:46
jelknerall i want is a consistent, well defined system16:46
jelknerwhatever it is16:46
ubuntouristIn addition, there should be a system for linking the person or organization to the contracts or projects, as well as the status of said project.16:46
jelknerthat's why we are building a database16:46
jelkneri'm assuming my brother will help guide that properly16:47
jelknerbut you would have the last word, ubuntourist 16:47
jelknersince it is our system we are building16:47
ubuntouristSo, at a glance, someone can look at, say, Liz Guzman, and see that she had one project, now complete, another pending, and one "in progress" or some such.16:47
nrcernawe talked this structure with GFbot 16:48
jelknerwe need that desperately16:48
nrcernaNVL-WD-040220 ---- 16:48
nrcernaFirst: Customer ID16:48
nrcerna ---Then: Service (WD- Webdesign)16:48
nrcerna---Then: Date 16:48
jelknerso, nrcerna 16:48
nrcernawe can assign ID for each service16:48
nrcernalike this:16:48
ubuntouristOK, I will leave it to others and weigh in from time to time, since it seems we're all on the same page.16:48
jelknerit will be an important time for GFbot and zOnny to learn SQL16:49
jelknerand for you, nrcerna, to gain a deeper understanding of relational databases as an idea16:49
abuchholzjelkner I removed the April Fools joke16:49
jelknerand how they work16:49
jelknerthanks, abuchholz!16:49
nrcernaWeb design (WD) , Support (SP),Graphic design (GD), Database (DB), Consulting (C) and Hosting (H)16:50
jelknerand we will add GIS in the future nrcerna 16:50
ubuntouristnrcerna: Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. What's the ID idea? (P.S. jelkner: think about your book identification parsing.16:50
nrcernaThe Customer ID or invoice ID? ubuntourist 16:51
ubuntouristwe won't need anything that complex, but something that can easily be broken into parts and put back together...)16:51
ubuntouristnrcerna: You were saying "we can assign ID for each service. Like this:" and it looked like you were about to say more.16:51
nrcernathe Invoice ID could be: NVL (customer ID) + WD (Contracted service) + 040220 (Date)16:52
nrcernathis: (the services)--- Web design (WD) , Support (SP),Graphic design (GD), Database (DB), Consulting (C) and Hosting (H)16:52
nrcernaGFbot, Also created the categories and we can add the services as well16:53
nrcernaalso he worked on the status: Created, sent, paid and pending16:54
nrcerna(this is the status of the invoices)16:54
ubuntourist(I would argue for fixed length,i if possible. If not, be consistent with field delimiters. I'd argue for "." as the delimiter.)16:54
ubuntourist(But "-" is okay too.)16:54
nrcernadash or dot? ubuntourist 16:55
ubuntouristI like dot, but dash is okay. I think it's more of a personal preference.16:55
ubuntouristBut pick one and we should all use it.16:55
ubuntouristACTION is done with that.16:56
ubuntouristjelkner: mumble etc16:56
nrcernaGreat we have a basic structure!16:56
nrcernaIm going to work on the customers ID16:56
GFboti used to use mumble and then TeamSpeak 3 in 201216:57
nrcernaGFbot, could you try this :
nrcernaI want to try something jaja16:58
ubuntouristjelkner: You SHOULD just be able to tell it to connect to and  use the default port.16:58
GFbotim there16:58
nrcernaTry to talk I cant see you16:59
GFboti can see ubuntourist16:59
ubuntouristLooks like you have your mics muted and video muted.16:59
nrcernaYou are in but not as German17:00
nrcernaFellow Jitster17:00
nrcernawhy he was loging with other name ubuntourist ?17:01
nrcernaIs something about security?17:01
nrcernaI mean privacy17:01
ubuntouristnrcerna, GFBot But I'm trying to use two competing systems. I'm going to drop out of Jitsi to help jelkner with mumble. But I'll answer first.17:01
ubuntouristnrcerna: I see GFbot and YOU are listed as "other jitser"17:02
nrcernaThats weird17:02
ubuntouristI'm out of jitsi. Carry on without me for a minute.17:04
ubuntouristjelkner: You there?17:04
nrcernaGFbot, can you hear me?17:04
ubuntouristjelkner: novawebdevelopment.og port 64738 (the default) and a username.17:05
jelknerubuntourist, prototol? http or https?17:18
jelknerubuntourist, it has a password field on the add server plumber screen17:18
ubuntouristIt shouldn't need a protocol. It has a port.17:18
jelknerdo i need a password?17:19
jelknerping, ubuntourist 17:28
jelknerubuntourist, i have a 2 pm meeting with hrodriguez and daniela17:29
jelknerubuntourist, before you add any passwords17:29
jelknercan we use the mumble for that?17:29
ubuntouristjelkner: Just before you left the desktop mumble, I got this weird audio that sounded like Alvin and the Chipmunks on acid.17:36
jelknerubuntourist, just finished my student meeting17:54
jelknerthat was me17:55
jelknerit was my desktop17:55
jelkneri could hear you perfectly17:55
jelknerbut i had head phones on17:55
jelknerand was trying to use the mic in my webcam17:55
jelknerit didn't work, obviously17:55
jelkneri'm about to try my phone again17:56
jelknerubuntourist, with head phones17:56
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