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| jelkner | !remind | 11:47 |
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| *-* nothing to see here *-* | 11:47 | |
| jelkner | !remind Consciously growing our dev team - review progress | 11:55 |
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| ubuntourist | jelkner, doughnut retrieved. | 12:29 |
| jelkner | thanks, ubuntourist | 12:33 |
| jelkner | !remind Whose going to the Worker Co-op Conference? | 13:03 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 13:03 |
| Consciously growing our dev team - review progress (jelkner) | 13:03 | |
| Whose going to the Worker Co-op Conference? (jelkner) | 13:03 | |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I continue to mistake you for a coder. You continue to mistake me for a reader. My e-reader says it's 651 pages. My eyes started to glaze over at page 17... | 13:05 |
| jelkner | So I need to extract quotes I guess | 13:06 |
| jelkner | what about glanzing at chapter 5? | 13:06 |
| jelkner | i have the audio book too | 13:06 |
| jelkner | she talks about maker spaces and how they will transform our economy | 13:07 |
| jelkner | i thought it too much aligned with your interest not to share it with you | 13:07 |
| jelkner | never mind | 13:07 |
| ubuntourist | I will continue to try, but I'm also slowly working through the Python testing stuff, which I feel I can actually DO stuff with. | 13:07 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION will be right back... | 13:07 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is back | 13:11 |
| ubuntourist | I quickly lose focus reading: In year X, Y% of Z were experiencing A. By year X+A, that number is expected to increase / decrease by Q, with an exponential curve of bla-bla-blah. Zzzzzzz. | 13:14 |
| jelkner | nevermind, ubuntourist | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i'm sorry for sending it | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i will try to remember not to do that again | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i'll just tell you about it | 13:26 |
| jelkner | anyway, she agrees with you | 13:27 |
| jelkner | your insight about the importance of the maker movement | 13:27 |
| jelkner | leave it at that | 13:27 |
| jelkner | keep in mind she is trying to convince young economics students | 13:28 |
| jelkner | they have to deal with data | 13:28 |
| jelkner | but she does a pretty good job making it accessible | 13:28 |
| jelkner | but it's clearly not for everyone ;-) | 13:29 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I'm not saying I don't think it's worth something: I'm just saying this is where I am "bear of little brain" and what is patently understandable to you is more like "cleaning toilets with toothbrush" to me. | 13:29 |
| jelkner | got it | 13:29 |
| jelkner | like i said, my friend, my apologies for sending it | 13:30 |
| jelkner | i'll try not to do that again | 13:30 |
| ubuntourist | The stuff your brother hates, I find easy, and occasionally fun. | 13:30 |
| jelkner | my brother hates reading, too, btw ;-) | 13:30 |
| jelkner | so you both share that | 13:30 |
| ubuntourist | I just finished reading "Logicomix" - a "comic" / "graphic novel" about Bertand Russell's quest for the "unified theory" of the essence of mathematics. | 13:35 |
| ubuntourist | Not something I would normally read, but it was a "graphic novel" with some elements of dramatization and "breaking of the 4th wall": | 13:35 |
| ubuntourist | Occasionally the story changed from Bertrand Russel to the authors and artists of "Logicomix" sitting around discussing / arguing about how to proceed with creating the work I was reading. | 13:37 |
| ubuntourist | But now, it's back to either mindless fiction, or "how to" books. | 13:38 |
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| jelkner | mjsir911, ping | 16:29 |
| mjsir911 | Hello jelkner | 16:29 |
| jelkner | are you on the west coast? | 16:29 |
| mjsir911 | Not currently, leaving tomorrow morning | 16:29 |
| jelkner | oh wow | 16:29 |
| jelkner | good travels! | 16:30 |
| mjsir911 | Yeah, thank you! | 16:30 |
| jelkner | where are you moving? | 16:30 |
| jelkner | i mean your new address | 16:30 |
| mjsir911 | Seattle, central district | 16:30 |
| mjsir911 | ehh I'll email it to you | 16:30 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 16:30 |
| jelkner | a bit harder to visit than Boston | 16:30 |
| jelkner | but who knows | 16:30 |
| jelkner | at some point | 16:30 |
| jelkner | after the pandemic | 16:31 |
| mjsir911 | yep! I'll be over on the east coast pretty regularly too | 16:31 |
| mjsir911 | I'll definitely make sure to let you know once the pandemic is over | 16:31 |
| jelkner | thanks, mjsir911! | 16:41 |
| jelkner | let's get together when you're back in the dc area to visit | 16:42 |
| jelkner | i've updated your address | 16:42 |
| jelkner | phone will remain the same, yes? | 16:42 |
| jelkner | my wife would love a reason to go to seattle | 16:43 |
| jelkner | so we can think about that at some point too ;-) | 16:43 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, i want to visit pacific rim national park | 16:44 |
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| inana_16 | ACTION Away | 19:44 |
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| ubuntourist | Gah! Page 30 includes a test with the statement "node.key < node.key" followed by the statement "node.value". | 19:50 |
| ubuntourist | Since I don't understand the function, I have no idea what the intent? typo? is here. | 19:50 |
| jelkner | it's just verifying that the node has an attribute named value | 19:57 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, in other words, that it exists | 19:57 |
| jelkner | since the ordering is by keys, ubuntourist | 19:57 |
| ubuntourist | But won't "node.key < node.key" always be false? | 19:58 |
| jelkner | oh shoot | 19:58 |
| jelkner | i would think so | 19:58 |
| jelkner | should be node.left.key < node.key | 19:59 |
| ubuntourist | Ah. See? You understand the math / algorithm here. I don't. So, I could not fathom what the intent there was. Thanks. | 20:01 |
| jelkner | actually, ubuntourist, i'm looking more carefully | 20:01 |
| ubuntourist | (And though I'm aware that there is an "assert" statement, I've never used it. I'm coming at this very "green".) | 20:02 |
| jelkner | i think it should just be node.key | 20:03 |
| jelkner | since we check for key ordering in the if not None branches | 20:04 |
| jelkner | not there at the end | 20:04 |
| jelkner | that is just for the leaf node case | 20:04 |
| jelkner | so we should just be checking that is exists | 20:05 |
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| inana_16 | ACTION back | 20:07 |
| inana_16 | zOnny, need to talk to you | 20:08 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, i just broke and fixed the single node test | 20:16 |
| jelkner | check out the git repo | 20:16 |
| jelkner | i honestly don't know if this node.value is a good way to write a test | 20:17 |
| jelkner | though it will raise an exception if the attribute isn't there | 20:17 |
| jelkner | so the funny thing is that node.key < node.key will achieve the same end | 20:18 |
| jelkner | it just evaluates to False | 20:18 |
| jelkner | but doesn't raise an exception unless it isn't set | 20:18 |
| jelkner | anyway, the goal is to get the big idea | 20:18 |
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| jelkner | inana_16, can you meet zOnny and me in planning? | 20:38 |
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| zonny34 | jelkner https://pastebin.com/BWtBz0Uz | 21:17 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, my humble apologies | 22:53 |
| jelkner | gitlab defaults to private | 22:53 |
| jelkner | the link i sent you is now visible | 22:53 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the evening | 23:17 |
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