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| Whose going to the Worker Co-op Conference? (jelkner) | 11:31 | |
| jelkner | !Status and plans for LibreOrganize development | 11:32 |
| jelkner | !remind Status of and plans for LibreOrganize development | 11:33 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 11:33 |
| Consciously growing our dev team - review progress (jelkner) | 11:33 | |
| Whose going to the Worker Co-op Conference? (jelkner) | 11:33 | |
| Status of and plans for LibreOrganize development (jelkner) | 11:33 | |
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| jelkner | Good morning, ubuntourist | 12:13 |
| jelkner | Can you see the git repo now? | 12:13 |
| jelkner | https://gitlab.com/jelkner/tddexercises | 12:14 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Yup. (I saw your message yesterday, but did not check out the repo visibility until just now.) | 12:17 |
| jelkner | cool | 12:17 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, In one of my many fantasies: I will try to construct my own tutorial, which will be opinionated, humorous, and may start with "assert". | 12:20 |
| jelkner | nice | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i can't wait to read it! | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i've found one of the best ways to learn something challenging is to write a tutorial on in ;-) | 12:20 |
| jelkner | s/in/it | 12:21 |
| ubuntourist | I'll go back to "the goat" but try to see if I can whittle it down to more beginner-friendly thing -- unless, that is, I find examples that don't work. | 12:21 |
| ubuntourist | However, if memory serves, he's using a better publisher. (I think I've seen previous Packt books that were unedited. Probably that awful TurboGears book.) | 12:23 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I'm currently planning on hitting the S&T today at 11:00 after my prodigal student and I meet at 10:00. | 12:25 |
| jelkner | S&T, ubuntourist? | 12:27 |
| ubuntourist | But, it looks like it will be complexity built on complexity built on complexity. | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i don't know what you're talking about, my friend | 12:28 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Show and Tell | 12:28 |
| jelkner | ahh, perfect! | 12:28 |
| jelkner | thank you | 12:28 |
| jelkner | we need to show up | 12:28 |
| jelkner | are you saying the S&T will be complexity built on complexity built on complexity? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | if so, that sounds like a computer ;-) | 12:29 |
| jelkner | in the mean time | 12:30 |
| ubuntourist | (Apostrophe CMS - Built on Node.js and MongoDB, and Nunchuks and Express... So, I don't know how much I'll get from it.) | 12:30 |
| jelkner | it's Canvass day for me | 12:30 |
| jelkner | Welcome to modern software | 12:30 |
| jelkner | that's how it goes | 12:30 |
| jelkner | but even our old brains aren't that different from young ones | 12:30 |
| jelkner | (ours just have more junk in them) | 12:31 |
| ubuntourist | Never heard of Nunchuks and Express as software components. I've at least heard of, but never used Node.js and MongoDB. | 12:31 |
| jelkner | so as soon as a system gets too complex, it won't just be us that can't deal with it | 12:31 |
| jelkner | others will complain too | 12:31 |
| jelkner | and someone will eventually do something about it | 12:31 |
| jelkner | or the system will die | 12:32 |
| ubuntourist | BTW, thoughts about the wiki e-mail to Paul? | 12:32 |
| jelkner | i called paul | 12:32 |
| jelkner | for now, what you are proposing sounds too complex ;-) | 12:32 |
| jelkner | i am asking for something much simpler | 12:32 |
| jelkner | 1. take what Stefan did with The Blog (no small feat) and plug it into LO | 12:33 |
| jelkner | 2. Make this configurable at setup, so that most LO users can have the current wiki, but we can have the new one | 12:34 |
| jelkner | that's enough of a challenge for him | 12:34 |
| ubuntourist | Well, then, I'll try not to clutter the landscape with overly complicated stuff. My bad. | 12:34 |
| jelkner | np | 12:34 |
| jelkner | i wanted a way for paul to test his metal | 12:35 |
| jelkner | what i'm asking involves reading, understanding, adapting, communicating | 12:35 |
| jelkner | since the pieces are already there in our code base | 12:35 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping it isn't too much of a heavy lift | 12:35 |
| ubuntourist | I sent him something prior to that encouraging him to explore and not be afraid of going down the wrong path. I mentioned it was a big lift. | 12:36 |
| jelkner | and it will help build paul's connections with the dev team | 12:36 |
| jelkner | absolutely | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i called all three interns yesterday | 12:36 |
| jelkner | caleb didn't answer, but he emailed me back | 12:37 |
| jelkner | i'm encouraging amina to use LO for a personal project | 12:37 |
| jelkner | we can talk about that tomorrow | 12:37 |
| ubuntourist | I have to remember -- 4:00 tomorrow. 4:00 tomorrow. 4:00 tomorrow. (as opposed to it's previous time.) | 12:40 |
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| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, jelkner, inana_16 have we started using something for storing our passwords? | 18:01 |
| inana_16 | Not yet | 18:01 |
| inana_16 | I'm waiting for it | 18:02 |
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| SITarabuta | okay | 18:02 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, I use keepassxc. ;-) But as far as I know, we did not settle on a group "thang". | 18:02 |
| jelkner | We did, keepass | 18:02 |
| jelkner | i'm going to use keepassx | 18:02 |
| ubuntourist | Oh, good. ;-) | 18:02 |
| jelkner | not xc | 18:02 |
| inana_16 | :( I was excited to use Bitwarden | 18:02 |
| jelkner | but they read the same files | 18:02 |
| jelkner | bitwarden is not an option | 18:03 |
| jelkner | requires Microsoft SQL Server | 18:03 |
| SITarabuta | Hmm, KeePass it is | 18:03 |
| SITarabuta | but how are we gonna do with the database sync? Should I create on and upload it to NextCloud? | 18:03 |
| SITarabuta | I'll take that as an yes ;-) | 18:06 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, I think that's probably the best option. However, because I think it's very little overhead... | 18:06 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, ...adding a private key and distributing that separately is not a bad idea. | 18:06 |
| SITarabuta | Sure, but what about the master password. where should I put that? Not everyone can handle a private key ;-) I think.. | 18:07 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Sadly, I've never managed to successfully make the case for GPG. | 18:08 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, But the philosophy seems to be "service X is already encrypting -- so don't sweat it." | 18:09 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, If that's true, then temporarily, with a suitably obscure name, you could put a file out there with nothing but the plain-text password. | 18:09 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, alright. I will do that right now. | 18:10 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, (I'm not wild about that. I suppose you could slowly speak it to people in a Jitsi session and repeat yourself a lot.) | 18:10 |
| SITarabuta | ;-) | 18:11 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Go ahead and do the obscure file thing, then. As for the key, I'd put that somewhere else... | 18:12 |
| SITarabuta | But if you don't have the key, can you access the database? | 18:12 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, e.g. e-mail attachment, or somewhere scp-able, but not with the database. | 18:13 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Right. | 18:13 |
| SITarabuta | And does it also work the other way? I don't have the pass, but I have the key - can I sitll access it? | 18:13 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, people would need to grab the key and put it somewhere on their system, then open the database and tell it to use the key they downloaded. | 18:13 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, This is one of the only places that I've used two-factor: For my own database, I need both the key and the password. | 18:14 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, KeepassXC lets you do either or both. | 18:14 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, Maybe we should do both and force people to use both.. | 18:15 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Once you tell it where you've put your local copy of the key, you never need to fuss with it again. | 18:15 |
| SITarabuta | Ah, that's convenient. | 18:15 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, When I open the application, it remembers the last database opened, and the last key used. I only need to enter the password. | 18:16 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Of course, that probably won't be true when I have two databases, with two separate keys and two separate passwords... | 18:17 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Still, I don't expect to be referencing the NWD password database that often. And I don't know if it's possible to | 18:17 |
| SITarabuta | I think it has some sort of "Recents" thing | 18:18 |
| ubuntourist | regularly merge the NWD database into my database -- that would be super convenient for me. | 18:18 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is stepping away for a minute... | 18:19 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is back | 18:25 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is minimizing the Hexchat window. So ping by name to alert. | 18:26 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, this meeting looks like it will run over | 18:49 |
| SITarabuta | okay jelkner | 18:50 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, let's talk tomorrow | 19:16 |
| jelkner | this meeting is loooong | 19:17 |
| jelkner | i'm exhausted from being online all day | 19:17 |
| jelkner | this online teaching is going to kill me :-( | 19:17 |
| SITarabuta | jelkner, ok no problem | 19:41 |
| SITarabuta | jelkner, are they saying anything interesting at least | 19:42 |
| SITarabuta | ? | 19:42 |
| jelkner | it is torture, SITarabuta | 19:42 |
| jelkner | it is going on and on and on | 19:42 |
| jelkner | makes me appreciate how efficient we are at NOVA Web | 19:43 |
| jelkner | with inana_16 to keep us on task! ;-) | 19:43 |
| SITarabuta | ;-) They should hire us to teach them about AGILE! | 19:43 |
| jelkner | +1 | 19:43 |
| inana_16 | +1 | 19:44 |
| jelkner | inana_16, SITarabuta before i sign off for the day, you want to meet briefly on planning? | 20:08 |
| SITarabuta | sure jelkner | 20:08 |
| inana_16 | I'm kinda busy now jelkner :( | 20:20 |
| jelkner | inana_16, never mind, tomorrow morning at 10 am, ok? | 20:21 |
| jelkner | we need to get FreeIPA setup before SITarabuta leaves for Europe | 20:21 |
| jelkner | which is in a few weeks | 20:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 20:21 |
| jelkner | hasta tomorrow | 20:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 20:21 |
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